Darius11 12 #26 August 8, 2013 Thanks for the info every one.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #27 August 8, 2013 Well, there's some info we didn't have yesterday. Horrible reportage to go with this story.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #28 August 8, 2013 quadeWell, there's some info we didn't have yesterday. Horrible reportage to go with this story. No kidding. Ya think that the fact that the apartment complex was a county owned, partially federally funded, senior citizen housing project might be just a little important to the discussion?"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #29 August 8, 2013 wolfriverjoe***Well, there's some info we didn't have yesterday. Horrible reportage to go with this story. No kidding. Ya think that the fact that the apartment complex was a county owned, partially federally funded, senior citizen housing project might be just a little important to the discussion? Why? Is the 2nd Amendment null and void if it is?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #30 August 8, 2013 wolfriverjoe Given that it is public housing, county owned and (partially) federally funded, it stops being a "private property" issue. The Constitution and the rights it ensures most definitely apply here. They wouldn't if it was privately owned. There are still some issues around trying to alter the leasing agreement mid flight without consent from both parties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #31 August 8, 2013 rushmc******Well, there's some info we didn't have yesterday. Horrible reportage to go with this story. No kidding. Ya think that the fact that the apartment complex was a county owned, partially federally funded, senior citizen housing project might be just a little important to the discussion? Why? Is the 2nd Amendment null and void if it is? No. That's the point. HOWEVER, it IS "null and void" if it's PRIVATE property, which is what the first report seemed to indicate.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 August 8, 2013 quade*********Well, there's some info we didn't have yesterday. Horrible reportage to go with this story. No kidding. Ya think that the fact that the apartment complex was a county owned, partially federally funded, senior citizen housing project might be just a little important to the discussion? Why? Is the 2nd Amendment null and void if it is? No. That's the point. HOWEVER, it IS "null and void" if it's PRIVATE property, which is what the first report seemed to indicate. Yes, if you are on someone's priviate property However, things change once rented as it becomes your home"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 August 8, 2013 quade No. That's the point. HOWEVER, it IS "null and void" if it's PRIVATE property, which is what the first report seemed to indicate. maybe it's semantics or so, but here's how I see it: Bill of Rights relates how the government is limited in its intrusions on us. When individuals unjustly intrude upon others, then the government is obliged to stand up for the law, but not to define it as such. As for private party relationships, that's handled (legally) in terms of contractual relationships (and common courtesy, etc) - in this case, it's less "null and void" and more like "not applicable". My house (my apartment complex, my office building, etc) = my rules. But once gov gets involved, then both the constitution and contractual agreements both have to apply and not be in conflict. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #34 August 8, 2013 It's going to be a great day when those same people who get their panties all in a twist over the second amendment do it with the same vigor over the first amendment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #35 August 8, 2013 Some already do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,367 #36 August 8, 2013 Hi rush, QuoteHowever, things change once rented as it becomes your home Maybe, maybe not. It all depends upon the rental agreement that the landlord & the renter signed. How many people actually read those things in detail before they sign them? I would guess less than 10%. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #37 August 8, 2013 jclalorIt's going to be a great day when those same people who get their panties all in a twist over the second amendment do it with the same vigor over the first amendment. It is going to be a great day when people support the 2nd like they do the 1st, 4th...etc. I tend to support ALL the rights in the BoR's.... For that, some call me an extremist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #38 August 8, 2013 JerryBaumchenHi rush, QuoteHowever, things change once rented as it becomes your home Maybe, maybe not. It all depends upon the rental agreement that the landlord & the renter signed. How many people actually read those things in detail before they sign them? I would guess less than 10%. JerryBaumchen If it something you sign and agree to then yes But coming in later and saying we are changing the deal I also seem to remember a public housing gun ban that got shot down (couldnt resist) but I will have to see if I can find that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #40 August 8, 2013 wolfriverjoe***Oh, that was fast. They threw it out / reversed themselves already. http://www.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=349123 Well, they didn't actually "reverse themselves." The policy was put in place by a private management company. When the actual owners (the county) found out that the managers were putting this policy in place without consulting with the owners, the county told the management company "You can't do that." Given that it is public housing, county owned and (partially) federally funded, it stops being a "private property" issue. The Constitution and the rights it ensures most definitely apply here. They wouldn't if it was privately owned. Ah, public housing - That changes things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,367 #41 August 8, 2013 Hi rush, QuoteBut coming in later and saying we are changing the deal A rental agreement with a unilateral change section would not be that unusual. The two I signed, many years ago, allowed for a rent increase with a specified length of notice. Not that unusual, JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
