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RonD1120

Denial is the number one symptom of the disease.

So then how do you approach people who aren't alcoholics and say they aren't? Do you just assume they are because, "Denial is the number one symptom"?

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***Denial is the number one symptom of the disease.

So then how do you approach people who aren't alcoholics and say they aren't? Do you just assume they are because, "Denial is the number one symptom"?

"I don't mess with alcohol, man, heroin's my bag."

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***Denial is the number one symptom of the disease.

So then how do you approach people who aren't alcoholics and say they aren't? Do you just assume they are because, "Denial is the number one symptom"?

They should form a party of no.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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***Denial is the number one symptom of the disease.

So then how do you approach people who aren't alcoholics and say they aren't? Do you just assume they are because, "Denial is the number one symptom"?

They have to be presented as having substance use disorder, either self-disclosure, family or the courts. As a professional, we do not hunt them down.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Kennedy

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From Wikipedia:

In 1792 Rush read a paper before the American Philosophical Society which argued that the "color" and "figure" of blacks were derived from a form of leprosy. He argued that with proper treatment, blacks could be cured and become white.[19]

EDIT: I should mention that 'proper treatment' included violently whipping their backs to cure this disease called Dysaethesia Aethiopica. Of course it was never a disease.

I can list the factors of disease, and Dysaethesia Aethiopica does not satisfy the requirements for a disease. It was at the time voted into existence, and it was voted out of existence when it was no longer fashionable.

Wikipedia

Reforms
Anti-slavery
In 1766 when Rush set out for his studies in Edinburgh, he was outraged by the sight of 100 slave ships in Liverpool harbor. As a prominent Presbyterian doctor and professor of chemistry in Philadelphia, he provided a bold and respected voice against the slave trade that could not be ignored.[17]
The highlight of his involvement was the pamphlet he wrote in 1773 entitled "An Address to the Inhabitants of the British Settlements in America, upon Slave-Keeping." In this first of his many attacks on the social evils of his day, he not only assailed the slave trade, but the entire institution of slavery. Dr. Rush argued scientifically that Negroes were not by nature intellectually or morally inferior. Any apparent evidence to the contrary was only the perverted expression of slavery, which "is so foreign to the human mind, that the moral faculties, as well as those of the understanding are debased, and rendered torpid by it."[18]
In 1792 Rush read a paper before the American Philosophical Society which argued that the "color" and "figure" of blacks were derived from a form of leprosy. He argued that with proper treatment, blacks could be cured and become white.[19]

Really, that's what you want to use to knock him down? The fact that he was more progressive than most leaders of his day?
FYI: this is called ad hominem attack. It is generally used when you can't attack the argument of the speaker (or writer in this case, as he's long dead).

You still haven't supported your claim "There are lots of studies that have shown people stop problem drinking on their own." I know about the RAND report, and it was widely discredited. That's one for you. Does your "lots" have any relation to the percent of total studies. If you can show half, most, or nearly all, that would actually mean something.

You still haven't showed that you understand what characteristics are used to define something as a disease, and you haven't said why they don't fit alcoholism.

So far it looks like you're ducking and dodging.
Irrelevant side note, I would say Trotter called it a disease before B. Rush, but it wasn't until the mid twentieth century that alcoholism as a disease gained traction, in large part due to EM Pattinson.


It's pointless for me to waste my time. I will never convince you, you don't have the capacity for rational thought.

I believe that people can change and overcome adversity. People make mistakes and learn and better themselves. Sorry you either believe that or you don't.

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RonD1120

******Denial is the number one symptom of the disease.

So then how do you approach people who aren't alcoholics and say they aren't? Do you just assume they are because, "Denial is the number one symptom"?

They have to be presented as having substance use disorder, either self-disclosure, family or the courts. As a professional, we do not hunt them down.

So denial cannot be the number one symptom, since other symptoms have to be present first

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SkyDekker

*********Denial is the number one symptom of the disease.

So then how do you approach people who aren't alcoholics and say they aren't? Do you just assume they are because, "Denial is the number one symptom"?

They have to be presented as having substance use disorder, either self-disclosure, family or the courts. As a professional, we do not hunt them down.

So denial cannot be the number one symptom, since other symptoms have to be present first

This is actually not true in practice. Lots of people who do not drink are diagnosed as alcoholics, therefore denial being the only symptom.

Also, the primary characteristic in the master-slave relationship is the slave must not be in denial of being born diseased and inferior to the master. It's not a symptom of physical disease, it is a method to deprive a human being of self-determination and dignity.


Think of it this way, if someone with cancer doesn't believe they have cancer, that has nothing to do with a physical mass inside the body called cancer. It's there wether you want to believe it or not.

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chemist

It's pointless for me to waste my time. I will never convince you, you don't have the capacity for rational thought.

I believe that people can change and overcome adversity. People make mistakes and learn and better themselves. Sorry you either believe that or you don't.

So when pressed for evidence or logic to support your position, you whine and run and insult anyone who doesn't automatically agree with you. Got it.

I've got news for you: your observations do not overrule scientific studies or the observations of the vast majority of experts in the field.

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I think David Miscavige is going to jail soon if he can't produce Shelly.

Looks like the right people got paid-off/threatened: http://gawker.com/tv-stars-missing-person-claim-against-scientology-rule-1076869636

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Kennedy

I've got news for you: your observations do not overrule scientific studies or the observations of the vast majority of experts in the field.

I agree the studies I have in mind can't overrule the studies you speak off, because they presume an unfalsifiable claim. It is impossible to overrule just liek it is impossible to produce a study that shows witches are NOT possessed by devils, thetans ARE NOT real, and ghosts DON'T exist or addiction is NOT caused by a a chemical imbalance in the brain.

Many people not trained in the scientific discipline mistake unfalsifiability with a good hypothesis. However it is the opposite that makes a good hypothesis. "The earth is flat" for example, is a very good scientific hypothesis because an experiment can be designed and observations made to prove that statement to be untrue. However, "Multiple universes exist" is a poor hypothesis because it is impossible to prove multiple universes DO NOT exist. Even though it is conceivable to prove multiple universes DO exist.

Every episode of SLIDERS, or any science fiction story about alternate universes could conceivably be proven to be true to exist, however, they cannot be proven to be untrue. That is the key.

I could come up with a theory that the pursuit of a skydiving free fall is a caused by a disease of the brain caused by a chemical imbalance. I would have myself a full proof theory because nobody can prove it to be untrue. I could take pictures of the brain before and after a skydive and I'd bet ya my rig it looks different and lights up in certain spots and so on...

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Congratulations, you've convinced me of two points: (1) you don't understand how the scientific method works, and (2) it's not worth discussing anything remotely scientific with you. Have a nice night.

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Kennedy

Congratulations, you've convinced me of two points: (1) you don't understand how the scientific method works, and (2) it's not worth discussing anything remotely scientific with you. Have a nice night.

Falsifiability is the cornerstone of the scientific method.

"The concern with falsifiability gained attention by way of philosopher of science Karl Popper's scientific epistemology "falsificationism". Popper stresses the problem of demarcation—distinguishing the scientific from the unscientific—and makes falsifiability the demarcation criterion, such that what is unfalsifiable is classified as unscientific, and the practice of declaring an unfalsifiable theory to be scientifically true is pseudoscience."


.... He proposed falsification as a solution to the problem of induction. Popper noticed that although a singular existential statement such as 'there is a white swan' cannot be used to affirm a universal statement, it can be used to show that one is false: the singular existential observation of a black swan serves to show that the universal statement 'all swans are white' is false—in logic this is called modus tollens. 'There is a black swan' implies 'there is a non-white swan,' which, in turn, implies 'there is something that is a swan and that is not white', hence 'all swans are white' is false, because that is the same as 'there is nothing that is a swan and that is not white'.

One notices a white swan. From this one can conclude:

At least one swan is white.

From this, one may wish to conjecture:

All swans are white.

It is impractical to observe all the swans in the world to verify that they are all white.

Even so, the statement all swans are white is testable by being falsifiable. For, if in testing many swans, the researcher finds a single black swan, then the statement all swans are white would be falsified by the counterexample of the single black swan.

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You're looking for the terms null hypothesis and alternative hypothesis. And I'm looking for a more productive way to spend the rest of my evening than arguin with someone who can't or won't understand.

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Kennedy

You're looking for the terms null hypothesis and alternative hypothesis. And I'm looking for a more productive way to spend the rest of my evening than arguin with someone who can't or won't understand.

yea man I got some skydiving to do tomorrow. Just chillin' out with some nice tunes thinkin' about tomorrow sounds a lot better than arguing with someone who refuses to accept scientific procedure.

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