The shooting of the Aussie in OK---racial?

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Here
Let me help you see past your hate

Here is a real racist

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/homeland-security-employee-moonlights-race-warrior/68600/


Tell us too Paul
Where is he lieing and stirring up race hatred?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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linebckr83

Are you really trying to argue that there is absolutely no racism involved in this murder?

I'm saying that at this point, we do not know. Yet there are some, Rush Limbaugh for instance, who actively want this to be the "reverse Trayvon" case. That all by itself is racist.

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It would appear to most I think that the shooting itself is racially motivated.
Not sure about the coverage - but they cover what they think will sell the news.
I'm constantly disappointed by what sells.

[rushmc 23]

quade

***Are you really trying to argue that there is absolutely no racism involved in this murder?

I'm saying that at this point, we do not know. Yet there are some, Rush Limbaugh for instance, who actively want this to be the "reverse Trayvon" case. That all my itself is racist.



that is what you want it to be

No

need it to be

That way you can hide from the truth

BTW
You can call me a racist all you want
But it will not shut me up
Which is after all, your ultimate goal

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

quade

***Are you really trying to argue that there is absolutely no racism involved in this murder?

I'm saying that at this point, we do not know. Yet there are some, Rush Limbaugh for instance, who actively want this to be the "reverse Trayvon" case. That all by itself is racist.

Funny you like the Trayvon case

It actually makes Limbaughs point very well

That case was NOT about race
Yet the racists needed it to be so the naravtive was set and those like you buy into it as fast as you can
So it was a media made case
NOW
they ignore race, in a case that does have racists elements (as demonstrated by this kids racists tweets)
Which is Rush's point

Your falling on your own arguments Paul

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I don't "like" the Treyvon case.

I was quoting something Limbaugh said.

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[rushmc 23]

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I don't "like" the Treyvon case.

I was quoting something Limbaugh said.

But YOU said he wanted it reversed


Tell us all Paul
Had GZ tweeted similar to that this kid did, what do you think the media coverage would have been?


I dont expect an answer cause it defeats your position

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

***I don't "like" the Treyvon case.

I was quoting something Limbaugh said.

But YOU said he wanted it reversed

No. I said, "Yet there are some, Rush Limbaugh for instance, who actively want this to be the "reverse Trayvon" case."

Whereas some saw the Treyvon case as a "white on black" crime, Limbaugh and others want to see this as a "black on white" crime but even more than that, they want the shooters to have pre-meditated it based on that as some sort of tit-for-tat.

Look at the subject line of this thread.

The reality is one of the kids admitted they did it because they were "bored." Not racially motivated as Limbaugh and others really want it to be.

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RUSH: And I remind you of how the Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin story was reported. "White Hispanic" George Zimmerman wantonly and in cold blood murdered a defenseless young, wonderful black child by the name of Trayvon Martin. I mean, not in those exact words, but that was the impression conveyed. "White Hispanic" George Zimmerman. Race is not even mentioned here. Race is not even a curiosity. Race is not even worth mentioning. No, it was boredom. Just sheer boredom. No curiosity whatsoever on the part of the media to try to find out if, in the midst of their boredom, did they say, "Hey, let's go find a white guy." Did they not? We don't know because the media has not endeavored to find out. They have zilch, zero curiosity about this.

What Rush is implying is everything from the shooting to the coverage is racially motivated.

That's pure bullshit to feed the racists in his audience.

Seems to be working if this thread is anything to go by.

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******I don't "like" the Treyvon case.

I was quoting something Limbaugh said.

But YOU said he wanted it reversed

No. I said, "Yet there are some, Rush Limbaugh for instance, who actively want this to be the "reverse Trayvon" case."

Whereas some saw the Treyvon case as a "white on black" crime, Limbaugh and others want to see this as a "black on white" crime but even more than that, they want the shooters to have pre-meditated it based on that as some sort of tit-for-tat.

Look at the subject line of this thread.

The reality is one of the kids admitted they did it because they were "bored." Not racially motivated as Limbaugh and others really want it to be.

not racially motivated - right.

And three days before what police call the indiscriminate shooting, the suspect, 15-year-old James Edwards Jr., tweeted, "With my n****s when it's time to start taken life's."

Back in April, he tweeted, "90% of white ppl (people) are nasty. #HATE THEM."

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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RUSH: Race is not even mentioned here. Race is not even a curiosity. Race is not even worth mentioning. No, it was boredom. Just sheer boredom. No curiosity whatsoever on the part of the media to try to find out if, in the midst of their boredom, did they say, "Hey, let's go find a white guy." Did they not? We don't know because the media has not endeavored to find out. They have zilch, zero curiosity about this.

The point I intended to illustrate by starting this thread is exactly what Limbaugh is talking about. There is a double-standard being exercised, and many people are endeavoring to expose it. A "white" guy shooting black guy results in a left-wing cacophony of "raaaaacist" before any of the facts come to light, but a black guy shooting a white guy is met with a resounding "meh".

I don't care who the shooter hates or if he was racist, nor does Limbaugh, I bet. Actions are what matter, not thoughts. These thuglettes could be as racist as Robert Byrd, but what needs to be decided is whether they murdered a man or not. The racial double-standard (again, the real point of this thread) is tangential to the murder itself and is a bone to be picked with the media and certain liberal politicians and public figures.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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A "white" guy shooting black guy results in a left-wing cacophony of "raaaaacist" before any of the facts come to light,

I think you're misremembering what the outrage was about (not that I agreed with the outrage). In the Trayvon Martin case, people were upset because they thought that Zimmerman targeted Martin because he was black, and then the police decided not to arrest him for the murder. Again, I didn't agree with the racial rage, but this case is not at all similar.

- Dan G

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rushmc

******Are you really trying to argue that there is absolutely no racism involved in this murder?

I'm saying that at this point, we do not know. Yet there are some, Rush Limbaugh for instance, who actively want this to be the "reverse Trayvon" case. That all by itself is racist.

Funny you like the Trayvon case

It actually makes Limbaughs point very well

That case was NOT about race
Yet the racists needed it to be so the naravtive was set and those like you buy into it as fast as you can
So it was a media made case
NOW
they ignore race, in a case that does have racists elements (as demonstrated by this kids racists tweets)
Which is Rush's point

Your falling on your own arguments Paul

I am pretty sure when you start defending Rush Limbaugh, you have lost any sort of debate.

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DanG

I think you're misremembering what the outrage was about (not that I agreed with the outrage). In the Trayvon Martin case, people were upset because they thought that Zimmerman targeted Martin because he was black, and then the police decided not to arrest him for the murder. Again, I didn't agree with the racial rage, but this case is not at all similar.

That's exactly what I remember, which is why I described the response as a "cacophony of 'raaacist'". People thought what they thought because pols, public figures, and the media played up the whole racial angle. Not so in this case. Hence the double standard I , and Limbaugh, referred to. I'm not saying I want to see the Chris Lane shooting turned into a reverse-Zimmerman case, but I do find the silence from the race-obsessed crowd quite curious and worth noting.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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Bignugget

I am pretty sure when you start defending Rush Limbaugh, you have lost any sort of debate.

zzzZZZzzz. Thanks for your logically fallacious contribution.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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Lefty

I'm not saying I want to see the Chris Lane shooting turned into a reverse-Zimmerman case, but I do find the silence from the race-obsessed crowd quite curious and worth noting.

And what I'm saying is . . . you're just looking at the wrong "race-obsessed crowd."

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Lefty

***I think you're misremembering what the outrage was about (not that I agreed with the outrage). In the Trayvon Martin case, people were upset because they thought that Zimmerman targeted Martin because he was black, and then the police decided not to arrest him for the murder. Again, I didn't agree with the racial rage, but this case is not at all similar.

That's exactly what I remember, which is why I described the response as a "cacophony of 'raaacist'". People thought what they thought because pols, public figures, and the media played up the whole racial angle. Not so in this case. Hence the double standard I , and Limbaugh, referred to. I'm not saying I want to see the Chris Lane shooting turned into a reverse-Zimmerman case, but I do find the silence from the race-obsessed crowd quite curious and worth noting.


I thought like I thought because I heard the tape of Zimmerman on the phone with 911 on day one. chasing a kid down and murdering him is the same as what these fucks did.

They should all be rotting in prison.

The parents should be charged and thrown in prison as well. Facilitation of homicide etc.

"Edwards has had run-ins with the law previously and had been in court Friday, the day of the killing, to sign documents related to his juvenile probation."

I know my parents wouldn't have let me go hang out with my buddies the day im in court signing probation papers.

[DanG 1]

The main difference between the two cases, at least as pertains to this discussion, is that the murderers in this case aren't being let free. If they were let go, the profile of this case would go through the roof.

- Dan G

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DanG

The main difference between the two cases, at least as pertains to this discussion, is that the murderers in this case aren't being let free. If they were let go, the profile of this case would go through the roof.

Nor was the murderer in the Zimmerman case, as a court of law determined.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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quade

And what I'm saying is . . . you're just looking at the wrong "race-obsessed crowd."

So let's see if we can sum this up:

Zimmerman Trial
Side A: "Racism! Racism! Racism!"
Side B: "Woah guys there's no evidence of any racism."
Result: No evidence of racism found.

Chris Lane Shooting
Side A: "Oh well they said they were bored so never mind whatever they said or posted about hating or beating up white people ('woods') prior to the shooting."
Side B: "But...weren't you guys just bending over backwards trying to prove racial motivation in the Zimmerman case? Motivation that was never proven nor substantiated? Isn't that a bit hypocritical, not to mention intellectually lazy?"
Result: Side B declared to be race-obsessed.

Do I have that about right?

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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Nor was the murderer in the Zimmerman case, as a court of law determined.

Please pay attention. The outrage happened because initially Zimmerman was never even going to appear before a court of law. That's what people objected to, among other things.

- Dan G

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DanG

Please pay attention. The outrage happened because initially Zimmerman was never even going to appear before a court of law. That's what people objected to, among other things.

Pfft. Don't play the kallend "please pay attention" game. It doesn't become you. You're admitting there were other objections to the case. "Racism" was among those other objections, and reactions from the media, politicians, and public figures prove me correct.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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Okay, I'll play the "whatever" game. If you aren't going to listen, there's no point in talking.

- Dan G

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DanG

Okay, I'll play the "whatever" game. If you aren't going to listen, there's no point in talking.

Seriously? Maybe we're talking past each other or something, because what you're talking about DID happen and people were upset with the procedural aspects, it's simply not the topic of discussion here.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[DanG 1]

The topic of discussion is whether this case is a reverse Trayvon case, as it relates to racial outrage. I contend it is not, because the perps are not being let go without a trial. If Zimmerman had been arrested, and charged with murder from the get-go, none of us would have ever heard of that case.

- Dan G