The shooting of the Aussie in OK---racial?

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DanG

The topic of discussion is whether this case is a reverse Trayvon case, as it relates to racial outrage. I contend it is not, because the perps are not being let go without a trial. If Zimmerman had been arrested, and charged with murder from the get-go, none of us would have ever heard of that case.

Gotcha. Maybe you are correct in that regard, but I don't see the initial release of the suspects as a necessary condition for comparison. Both cases are high-profile now, for one reason or another.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
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Lefty

***The topic of discussion is whether this case is a reverse Trayvon case, as it relates to racial outrage. I contend it is not, because the perps are not being let go without a trial. If Zimmerman had been arrested, and charged with murder from the get-go, none of us would have ever heard of that case.

Gotcha. Maybe you are correct in that regard, but I don't see the initial release of the suspects as a necessary condition for comparison. Both cases are high-profile now, for one reason or another.

Who will Obama identify with this time?

This is relevant to your discussion here.

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The topic of discussion is whether this case is a reverse Trayvon case, as it relates to racial outrage. I contend it is not, because the perps are not being let go without a trial. If Zimmerman had been arrested, and charged with murder from the get-go, none of us would have ever heard of that case.

He should never had been arrested and charged as he was innocent of any crime just as the police decided from the get go which was proven in court. So your argument isn't valid.

This case though is a clear cut case of a bunch of gang bangers deciding to go peel the cap of some "wood's" the cops are being really careful as is the media. Why they are afraid I don't know but you better wake up.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/22/dhs-employee-spends-spare-time-promoting-race-war-against-whites/

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Lefty

***Please pay attention. The outrage happened because initially Zimmerman was never even going to appear before a court of law. That's what people objected to, among other things.

Pfft. Don't play the kallend "please pay attention" game. It doesn't become you. You're admitting there were other objections to the case. "Racism" was among those other objections, and reactions from the media, politicians, and public figures prove me correct.

Why do you hate people who want you to pay attention? ADD?

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catfishhunter

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He should never had been arrested and charged as he was innocent of any crime just as the police decided from the get go which was proven in court. So your argument isn't valid.

and that bullshit trial cost us Florida taxpayers $902,143.00 according to yesterdays Orlando Sentinel

You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!

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He should never had been arrested and charged as he was innocent of any crime just as the police decided from the get go which was proven in court. So your argument isn't valid.

My argument is perfectly vaild if you believe the courts decide guilt or innocence, not the cops.

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This case though is a clear cut case of a bunch of gang bangers deciding to go peel the cap of some "wood's"

I'm not in a gang, so I don't know what peeling a cap on a wood is.

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Why they are afraid I don't know but you better wake up.http://www.foxnews.com/...-war-against-whites/

What am I supposed to wake up to? That the Man is now after whitey? Give me a break.

- Dan G

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BTW, sorry for the "Pay attention" line. That was unnecessarily snarky. I though you were intentionally missing my point, but I see now I just wasn't being very clear about it.

- Dan G

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DanG

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He should never had been arrested and charged as he was innocent of any crime just as the police decided from the get go which was proven in court. So your argument isn't valid.

My argument is perfectly vaild if you believe the courts decide guilt or innocence, not the cops.
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Really? So in every instance, by your logic, the cops should arrest everyone they meet and let a court decide if they committed a crime or not. It is absolutely up to the police to determine if there is probably cause to believe if a crime has been committed. THAT IS THEIR JOB. I hope Zimmerman sues everyone involved in brining false charges against him. The ONLY reason he was charged was because of the angry black MOB. They had to bring in someone willing to stomp on GZ civil rights to charge and prosecute him. No one with any moral compass had anything to do with trying to railroad him. The only crime was committed by a punk ass racist wanna be gang banger and his crime got him smoked, PROVEN IN COURT. So now that should be the end of your nonsense. GZ wasn't racist, didn't commit a crime, TM was a racist and DID commit a crime. Just as these thugs did. They all wanted to attack a cracker, or in this 3's case kill a peckerwood,

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catfishhunter

GZ wasn't racist, didn't commit a crime, TM was a racist and DID commit a crime. Just as these thugs did. They all wanted to attack a cracker, or in this 3's case kill a peckerwood,

Ladies and gentlemen . . . I rest my case.

quade -
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quade

***GZ wasn't racist, didn't commit a crime, TM was a racist and DID commit a crime. Just as these thugs did. They all wanted to attack a cracker, or in this 3's case kill a peckerwood,

Ladies and gentlemen . . . I rest my case.

I know your trying to be funny Quade but what I posted is facts. The first proven in court agreed? Or do you need to re-hash the court transcripts? The second is proven by the social media accounts of the crab involved in the killing. His words "knocked out 5 woods since Trayvon" (I hate White People" and since you don't know what you don't know these Cowards Run In Packs speak a different language then you do and do not think they way you think. The think and act like the other coward that got smoked. You are not loved or even liked your a mark. Don't believe me go walk the street in their neighborhood..I wouldn't today but you see I once did but I was friends with the leader of the Bloods in Northown. This peckerwood wouldn't have ever gone or seen the things I did without him. There is no love for wood's in the hood..Doesnt mean things cant change it did for me and Kenny. I was th eonly white person to EVER set foot in his 85 year olds mothers home EVER..Probably the only one that ever set foot again after he went to prison. I tell this not to brag but unless you know what the fuck your talking about you should probably stop talking,

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[DanG 1]

I'm not going down this road again, I've written about it extensively in other threads. But, in response to:

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So in every instance, by your logic, the cops should arrest everyone they meet and let a court decide if they committed a crime or not.

Obviously not. But they should arrest everyone who kills someone else in a public area.

- Dan G

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Sir, that is some hi-larious high cheese right there.

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I thought like I thought because I heard the tape of Zimmerman on the phone with 911 on day one. chasing a kid down and murdering him is the same as what these fucks did.

Not even close to what happened. If that were true, why didn't the Jury convict?

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Gravitymaster

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I thought like I thought because I heard the tape of Zimmerman on the phone with 911 on day one. chasing a kid down and murdering him is the same as what these fucks did.

Not even close to what happened. If that were true, why didn't the Jury convict?

Unfortunately, there was a copy of the 911 tape that was hastily edited by some staffers at one news outlet that condensed the events and left out key pieces of discussion between people on both ends of the conversation. It does not appear as if this was done intentionally for any other reason than to make the 911 tape fit for time, but unfortunately lead quite a few people astray in their beliefs of the precise chain of events.

In another discussion elsewhere in SC I've written about how any recounting of events (biography, documentary) by a third party is by it's very nature a bit of a bastardization of it. There's simply no avoiding it. It's impossible to get "everything" into a single story.

Sadly, as I said higher up, this lead some people astray in their perceptions of precisely what happened.

THAT'S why the jury didn't convict. They were able to hear the entire tape unaltered from start to finish. Something the rest of us didn't have access to.


SIDE NOTE: If you have access to HBO, you might want to check out last week's episode of "The Newsroom." They do a pretty decent dramatization of how that sort of thing happens.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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DanG

BTW, sorry for the "Pay attention" line. That was unnecessarily snarky. I though you were intentionally missing my point, but I see now I just wasn't being very clear about it.

No harm, no foul. I'm a bit short on sleep lately so it took just the right combination of words to get through the haze.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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catfishhunter

******GZ wasn't racist, didn't commit a crime, TM was a racist and DID commit a crime. Just as these thugs did. They all wanted to attack a cracker, or in this 3's case kill a peckerwood,

Ladies and gentlemen . . . I rest my case.

I know your trying to be funny Quade but what I posted is facts. The first proven in court agreed? Or do you need to re-hash the court transcripts? The second is proven by the social media accounts of the crab involved in the killing. His words "knocked out 5 woods since Trayvon" (I hate White People" and since you don't know what you don't know these Cowards Run In Packs speak a different language then you do and do not think they way you think. The think and act like the other coward that got smoked. You are not loved or even liked your a mark. Don't believe me go walk the street in their neighborhood..I wouldn't today but you see I once did but I was friends with the leader of the Bloods in Northown. This peckerwood wouldn't have ever gone or seen the things I did without him. There is no love for wood's in the hood..Doesnt mean things cant change it did for me and Kenny. I was th eonly white person to EVER set foot in his 85 year olds mothers home EVER..Probably the only one that ever set foot again after he went to prison. I tell this not to brag but unless you know what the fuck your talking about you should probably stop talking,



There was REASONABLE DOUBT that Zimmerman committed murder.....there was most assuredly not PROOF that he didn't. Nor was there PROOF of Martin committing a crime and being a racist.



"I tell this not to brag" after talking about hanging out with gangbangers and shit.

Hahahah. I would sure as fuck HOPE you weren't telling us how you used to thug around with gangbangers in a BRAGGING way....that would just be snobby.

Classy shit.

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Gravitymaster

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I thought like I thought because I heard the tape of Zimmerman on the phone with 911 on day one. chasing a kid down and murdering him is the same as what these fucks did.

Not even close to what happened. If that were true, why didn't the Jury convict?

Right...and OJ didn't kill Nicole.

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quade

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I thought like I thought because I heard the tape of Zimmerman on the phone with 911 on day one. chasing a kid down and murdering him is the same as what these fucks did.

Not even close to what happened. If that were true, why didn't the Jury convict?

Unfortunately, there was a copy of the 911 tape that was hastily edited by some staffers at one news outlet that condensed the events and left out key pieces of discussion between people on both ends of the conversation. It does not appear as if this was done intentionally for any other reason than to make the 911 tape fit for time, but unfortunately lead quite a few people astray in their beliefs of the precise chain of events.

In another discussion elsewhere in SC I've written about how any recounting of events (biography, documentary) by a third party is by it's very nature a bit of a bastardization of it. There's simply no avoiding it. It's impossible to get "everything" into a single story.

Sadly, as I said higher up, this lead some people astray in their perceptions of precisely what happened.

THAT'S why the jury didn't convict. They were able to hear the entire tape unaltered from start to finish. Something the rest of us didn't have access to.


SIDE NOTE: If you have access to HBO, you might want to check out last week's episode of "The Newsroom." They do a pretty decent dramatization of how that sort of thing happens.


The fact that he pursued someone and subsequently killed that person, AFTER contacting 911, and not being under attack while on the phone with 911 was enough for me.

Maybe the law allows for him to chase the kid down, GET ATTACKED, and then defend himself with deadly force.

I would have convicted his murdering ass though.

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Bignugget

*********GZ wasn't racist, didn't commit a crime, TM was a racist and DID commit a crime. Just as these thugs did. They all wanted to attack a cracker, or in this 3's case kill a peckerwood,

Ladies and gentlemen . . . I rest my case.

I know your trying to be funny Quade but what I posted is facts. The first proven in court agreed? Or do you need to re-hash the court transcripts? The second is proven by the social media accounts of the crab involved in the killing. His words "knocked out 5 woods since Trayvon" (I hate White People" and since you don't know what you don't know these Cowards Run In Packs speak a different language then you do and do not think they way you think. The think and act like the other coward that got smoked. You are not loved or even liked your a mark. Don't believe me go walk the street in their neighborhood..I wouldn't today but you see I once did but I was friends with the leader of the Bloods in Northown. This peckerwood wouldn't have ever gone or seen the things I did without him. There is no love for wood's in the hood..Doesnt mean things cant change it did for me and Kenny. I was th eonly white person to EVER set foot in his 85 year olds mothers home EVER..Probably the only one that ever set foot again after he went to prison. I tell this not to brag but unless you know what the fuck your talking about you should probably stop talking,



There was REASONABLE DOUBT that Zimmerman committed murder.....there was most assuredly not PROOF that he didn't. Nor was there PROOF of Martin committing a crime and being a racist.



"I tell this not to brag" after talking about hanging out with gangbangers and shit.

Hahahah. I would sure as fuck HOPE you weren't telling us how you used to thug around with gangbangers in a BRAGGING way....that would just be snobby.

Classy shit. trespassing is a crime fact. Fact TM called GZ a creepy ass cracker FACT and yeah I was the one your mother warned you about. Nothing to brag about just a fact. So until you done shit you don't know shit.

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Hi catfish,

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trespassing is a crime fact.

Not always so true. In Oregon many a farmer has tried to have off-dz jumpers prosecuted for trespassing. They got no where. One req'ment here is that you have to have a "No Trespassing" sign on the property.

YMMV

JerryBaumchen

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Bignugget

******I think you're misremembering what the outrage was about (not that I agreed with the outrage). In the Trayvon Martin case, people were upset because they thought that Zimmerman targeted Martin because he was black, and then the police decided not to arrest him for the murder. Again, I didn't agree with the racial rage, but this case is not at all similar.

That's exactly what I remember, which is why I described the response as a "cacophony of 'raaacist'". People thought what they thought because pols, public figures, and the media played up the whole racial angle. Not so in this case. Hence the double standard I , and Limbaugh, referred to. I'm not saying I want to see the Chris Lane shooting turned into a reverse-Zimmerman case, but I do find the silence from the race-obsessed crowd quite curious and worth noting.


I thought like I thought because I heard the tape of Zimmerman on the phone with 911 on day one. chasing a kid down and murdering him is the same as what these fucks did.

They should all be rotting in prison.

The parents should be charged and thrown in prison as well. Facilitation of homicide etc.

"Edwards has had run-ins with the law previously and had been in court Friday, the day of the killing, to sign documents related to his juvenile probation."

I know my parents wouldn't have let me go hang out with my buddies the day im in court signing probation papers.
Z did not chase a kid down and murder him, so your whole post is bs

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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DanG

The topic of discussion is whether this case is a reverse Trayvon case, as it relates to racial outrage. I contend it is not, because the perps are not being let go without a trial. If Zimmerman had been arrested, and charged with murder from the get-go, none of us would have ever heard of that case.

Z never should have been arrested and charged with murder. A grand jury never would have brought back a finding that there was reasonable cause to indict. The only way it got to court was through the 'extra'-legal machinations of an obsessed special prosecutor who should be facing disciplinary action and disbarrment for unlawfully withholding exculpatory evidence and falsifying affidavits in order to bring Z to a trial no grand jury would have ever called for.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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He was walking down the street of the neighborhood he lived in....even if he was walking through peoples yards....you never cut through your neighbors yard on the way home as a kid??? I did plenty, sure am glad some crazy fuckin asshole didn't chase me down and kill me for it.

I never heard any evidence suggesting someone had called to report him trespassing on their property. (not that Zimmerman would have any way to know this, to use it as a reason to kill, or chase)

I did hear plenty of evidence showing that Zimmerman MOVED from his original spot, FOLLOWED Martin, and Martin subsequently ending up dead.

AFTER contact with 911.

Murderers go to jail if I am on the jury.

Just hope that I don't get a jury summons if you ever chase some kid down and kill him in 'self defense'.


ZIMMERMAN WAS a creepy ass cracka.

A creepy fucking white (looking) dude who is following me around, is in fact a creepy ass cracka.


ETA: I feel the exact same about this case. You drive around and kill some kid for no reason, you get convicted. Simple.

Personally I don't see much of a racial motivation behind either one. Zimmerman thought Martin looked more suspicious than a white kid (maybe)....that's not really hating black people racist, its just a little profiling.

These kids said stupid shit on twitter about white people, it's unfortunately considered 'cool' in many circles to act that way, whether they drove past 10 black targets to find the white guy is still up in the air, or if they sat down and conspired to only kill a white person. It seems like so far they just went driving around looking for someone to kill. Shitty luck it was the Aussie.

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He wouldn't have been acquitted. Plus I can wear old ladies down when they are locked in a room with me.