kallend 2,027
JerryBaumchen 1,363
Hi John,
I no longer have to think about it; he did the right thing.
For many, many years now I have said that the average American voter is ill-informed and prefers to stay that way.
"I have found the enemy and he are us."
JerryBaumchen
PS) And for anyone who may wonder; I readily admit that I may not be 100% informed when I vote. But I do read anything that I can on any given subject/candidate.
QuoteThe more I think about it, the more I think Snowden is a hero for letting light shine in a dark and murky place.
I no longer have to think about it; he did the right thing.
For many, many years now I have said that the average American voter is ill-informed and prefers to stay that way.
"I have found the enemy and he are us."
JerryBaumchen
PS) And for anyone who may wonder; I readily admit that I may not be 100% informed when I vote. But I do read anything that I can on any given subject/candidate.
ryoder 1,590
lawrocket
I believe that the President busily defended the programs for a while. Wasn't it just a couple of months ago when he was telling Jay Leno that he doubted how useful the spying was until he saw the amount of shit the domestic spying program dug up? He pointed to the Boston bombing as a success.
WHAT??!!!
The Russians warn us about a crackpot, the gov't ignores it, people get killed and maimed, and *that* was a success???
Call me old-fashioned, but it wasn't a success unless it was *prevented*.
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
rushmc 23
kallend
Facts can be SO inconvenient.
Yep
QuoteObama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-administration-had-restrictions-on-nsa-reversed-in-2011/2013/09/07/c26ef658-0fe5-11e3-85b6-d27422650fd5_story.html
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Yep.
Before or after the court's ruling?
Agreed. Notice and opportunity to be heard are things I consider important. That the FISA precedure contains a gag order preventing anyone from knowing the basis for the FISA order is both Star Chamber and Kangaroo at the same time.
Yep.
How can "the people" exert any oversight if the government if they don't know what the government is doing.
The more I think about it, the more I think Snowden is a hero for letting light shine in a dark and murky place.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.