billvon 2,997 #51 September 3, 2013 >OK, so your reasoning is: the Titanic succeeded because some people got to their destinations. No. My reasoning is that maritime shipping succeeded even though the Titanic sank. Ecommerce succeeded even though the dot com bubble happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #52 September 4, 2013 Stumpy******>You must not remember the dot com bust since you were still in high school perhaps. No, actually I made a lot of money on it. Indeed, my company was one of the ones that you probably think "failed miserably." >Thousands of dot coms when out of business. Yes, they did. And even today there are far more failed dot coms than there are successful dot coms. But insisting that "b2b and ecommerce failed miserably" is akin to insisting that commercial aviation failed miserably because Pan Am and Eastern Airlines went out of business. OK, so your reasoning is: the Titanic succeeded because some people got to their destinations. You are unbelievable. As someone who has worked very successfully in the .com, b2b and ecommerce business for the last 10 years, I'm quite confident in saying you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. As one who aided building the largest eCommerce web program on the planet I can assure you that there was a dot com bubble. The dot com I helped build is still in existence, however thousands of dot coms failed during the bubble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #53 September 4, 2013 OHCHUTE*********>You must not remember the dot com bust since you were still in high school perhaps. No, actually I made a lot of money on it. Indeed, my company was one of the ones that you probably think "failed miserably." >Thousands of dot coms when out of business. Yes, they did. And even today there are far more failed dot coms than there are successful dot coms. But insisting that "b2b and ecommerce failed miserably" is akin to insisting that commercial aviation failed miserably because Pan Am and Eastern Airlines went out of business. OK, so your reasoning is: the Titanic succeeded because some people got to their destinations. You are unbelievable. As someone who has worked very successfully in the .com, b2b and ecommerce business for the last 10 years, I'm quite confident in saying you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. As one who aided building the largest eCommerce web program on the planet I can assure you that there was a dot com bubble. The dot com I helped build is still in existence, however thousands of dot coms failed during the bubble. No one is disagreeing with this, however thats not what you said. You said, B2B and ecommerce failed - THAT is complete nonsense.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #54 September 4, 2013 QuoteThe dot com I helped build is still in existence, however thousands of dot coms failed during the bubble. Saying that the failure of many (even most) dot-coms failed when the bubble burst means that dot-com failed is like saying that the automobile industry failed because many (most) car manufacturers went out of business. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #55 September 4, 2013 wmw999QuoteThe dot com I helped build is still in existence, however thousands of dot coms failed during the bubble. Saying that the failure of many (even most) dot-coms failed when the bubble burst means that dot-com failed is like saying that the automobile industry failed because many (most) car manufacturers went out of business. Wendy P. This is what I wrote: "The states and the fed are soon learning the true cost of IT programs, as no state will be ready with their exchange. Besides, if you remember the dot com craze, b2b and ecommerce failed miserably." So the healthcare exchanges will survive since Amazon survived? I don't think so, as the dot com bubble showed us, that most exchanges don't work. Just because Amazon survived the dot com bubble doesn't mean that everyone that starts a dot com will succeed. You're splitting hairs here. My responses were to Bvon who alleged that there was no dot com bubble which is false. Part of his problem is that he cuts and pastes lines of type out of context and then comments on it without considering other parts to the paragraph, which gets him into trouble quite a bit. Try: most failed miserable DURING THE DOT COM BUBBLE, to which I was referring to. Hence, the healthcare exchanges may, suffer the same fate as dot coms of the dot com bubble. Hope we are clear now after my words were conveniently edited and misinterpreted via comments by others. Is there ecom on the web, of course! I never alleged there was no ecom on the web. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #56 September 4, 2013 But, since there will be navigators helping people buy insurance all while getting paid to buy the insurance the likeliness of the healthcare exchanges failing is pretty remote. If only most dot coms of the dot com bubble had this advantage, there may not have been a dot come bubble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #57 September 4, 2013 Well, your original statement was that Quoteb2b and ecommerce failed miserably.. Not sure how else to interpret that. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #58 September 5, 2013 wmw999Well, your original statement was that Quoteb2b and ecommerce failed miserably.. Not sure how else to interpret that. Wendy P. Well Doh, b2b and ecommerce failed miserable during the dot com bubble. Jeesh, now you are acting like bv... by doing what he did. Take one line and comment about that one line without consideration of other sentences. If b2b and ecommerce did not fail during the dot com bust, what did fail? Here's one list of failures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_company] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #59 September 5, 2013 OHCHUTE***Well, your original statement was that Quoteb2b and ecommerce failed miserably.. Not sure how else to interpret that. Wendy P. Well Doh, b2b and ecommerce failed miserable during the dot com bubble. Jeesh, now you are acting like bv... by doing what he did. Take one line and comment about that one line without consideration of other sentences. If b2b and ecommerce did not fail during the dot com bust, what did fail? Here's one list of failures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_company] Oh jeez - if you had just said after Billvons post: "My bad, maybe I didn't word that very well" we wouldn't even be having this conversation. At the moment you are trying to push your error onto everyone else.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,997 #60 September 5, 2013 >Well Doh, b2b and ecommerce failed miserable during the dot com bubble. So let's look at a few ecommerce companies that were founded before 2000 and therefore failed miserably: Amazon (1995) PayPal (founded as Confinity in 1998, added online payment feature in 2000) Buy.com (1997) Ancestry.com (founded in 1983 as a paper research company, web launch in 1998) ebags.com (1998) drugstore.com (1999) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #61 September 5, 2013 The intent of my statement regarding the success of the healthcare exchanges being set up via Federal Government seemingly went unnoticed. Instead, you picked apart my statement and started a completely new conversation regarding the dot com bubble. And you do this often: you take apart peoples paragraphs and then make comments that are unrelated to the central theme. In this case: the viability of a state run health care exchange which is beginning to morf into only an information site. Now why don't you address the success or failure of healthcare exchanges, which they're not really exchanges, if you know anything about what an exchange is, in light that there was a dot com bubble where thousands of websites failed? The Feds have already considered that aspect, it seems, to prevent failure. 1. Hiring navigators to help poor people buy insurance, with money not their own. 2. Not really an exchange where insurance is bought directly, but more of an information website displaying what can be bought from an insurance company. Which is pretty unique considering most firms that failed during the dot com bubble didn't get funding to hire helpers, to help people buy stuff on their website, where the stuff they bought was paid for by someone else. To prevent failure. If you stick to the subject instead of slicing and dicing everyone's copy, might prove to work better for you. Until then, you'll be inviting plenty of responses. Then again, gaining responses and driving viewership might be your objective. You motive for slicing and dicing and taking goof opposing view points trolling for continued responses. Just because Amazon succeeded does not mean there was not a dot com bubble that burst. Placing blame on me for not wording a sentence fully, or correctly, or composing a paragraph correctly, while you're taking apart the paragraph and commenting on just one line, puts the blame on you. I stand by my statement that the feds and states will face challenges in the use of their healthcare websites, the reason they're hiring helpers and offering free stuff or discounts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,997 #62 September 5, 2013 >Instead, you picked apart my statement and started a completely new conversation >regarding the dot com bubble. Who started that conversation? Hmm, let's see. Post #34 from you: "Besides, if you remember the dot com craze, b2b and ecommerce failed miserably." >And you do this often: you take apart peoples paragraphs and then make comments >that are unrelated to the central theme. In this case: the viability of a state run health >care exchange which is beginning to morf into only an information site. No, the central theme of this thread was the "war against whites." (If this doesn't seem right to you, look at the topic at the top of your screen right now.) You read it, then had an Obamagasm and spewed a lot of unrelated stuff in the original thread. It's amusing to see you claim that you are now annoyed that the thread does not seem to be going in the direction you want. If you want to start a thread on Obamacare, feel free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #63 September 6, 2013 billvon>Instead, you picked apart my statement and started a completely new conversation >regarding the dot com bubble. Who started that conversation? Hmm, let's see. Post #34 from you: "Besides, if you remember the dot com craze, b2b and ecommerce failed miserably." >And you do this often: you take apart peoples paragraphs and then make comments >that are unrelated to the central theme. In this case: the viability of a state run health >care exchange which is beginning to morf into only an information site. No, the central theme of this thread was the "war against whites." (If this doesn't seem right to you, look at the topic at the top of your screen right now.) You read it, then had an Obamagasm and spewed a lot of unrelated stuff in the original thread. It's amusing to see you claim that you are now annoyed that the thread does not seem to be going in the direction you want. If you want to start a thread on Obamacare, feel free. Again, you slice and dice and develop different conversations. Surprising you missed "central theme" has nothing to do with the topic, but central theme of my statement pertaining healthcare exchanges, where you changed the topic to dot com bubble where you seemingly claim didn't happen as ecommerce survived. You are all over the place. Or, merely attempting to gain more readers and more click throughs for your ad revenue via trolling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #64 September 6, 2013 When you find yourself in a hole, best to stop digging.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #65 September 6, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cuQTGKD01M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #66 September 6, 2013 StumpyWhen you find yourself in a hole, best to stop digging. When you are faced with people who simply won't recognize their own failures, you are right, best to stop the conversation. This statement had nothing to do with the success or failure of the dot com bubble but rather the success or failure of Obamercrap Healthcare exchanges, if you can call them exchanges as no money will be exchanged via the domains. The slicer/dicer chose one sentence then started a different conversation other than the one started-no dot com bubble because Amazon survived? OHCHUTE WROTE: "The states and the fed are soon learning the true cost of IT programs, as no state will be ready with their exchange. Besides, if you remember the dot com craze, b2b and ecommerce failed miserably." Authors intent: The exchanges will be tough to build especially with a history of past industry failures. In fact, even the firms that were involved in building exchanges went out of business... [url]http://www.epiqtech.com/others-B2B-Exchanges.htm Ten reasons why exchanges failed. http://www.gxsblogs.com/keifers/2009/11/ten-reasons-the-b2b-e-marketplaces-failed.html Commerce One meltdown long ago, major builder of exchanges. [/url]http://news.cnet.com/Commerce-One-melting-down/2100-1030_3-5378853.html[url] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #67 September 6, 2013 QuoteWhen you find yourself in a hole, best to stop digging. I think he's hoping to bust out the other side. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,997 #68 September 6, 2013 >where you changed the topic to dot com bubble . . . . Hmm. Who changed the topic to the dot com bubble again? "Besides, if you remember the dot com craze, b2b and ecommerce failed miserably." >but central theme of my statement pertaining healthcare exchanges OK. Want to change the topic again? This should get you started: ============== Obamacare Insurance Costs Affordable, Kaiser Survey Finds By Alex Wayne Sep 4, 2013 9:01 PM PT Bloomberg A 25-year-old New Yorker earning $25,000 a year will pay as little as $62 a month for health insurance next year, and a peer living in Vermont may pay nothing, according to a 17-state survey of premiums under the U.S. health-care overhaul. The Kaiser Family Foundation report is the broadest look yet at what consumers will pay for health insurance when the Affordable Care Act takes full effect next year. The cost issue has been a top concern for President Barack Obama’s administration, which is trying to persuade at least 7 million Americans who now lack insurance to sign up for coverage starting Oct. 1. California and New York are among the states that have announced rates for the plans to be sold through marketplaces called exchanges. Republican officials in states including Ohio, Indiana and Georgia have released partial information on premiums, emphasizing big increases for some customers. “There’s obviously intense interest in what the choices are going to look like for consumers and what they’re going to have to pay in 2014,” Larry Levitt, a senior vice president at Menlo Park, California-based Kaiser, said in a phone interview. “For the most part insurers seem to find this market attractive and they’re pricing accordingly.” ========================== >Or, merely attempting to gain more readers and more click throughs for your ad >revenue via trolling. Yes, I plan to retire on the fat paychecks and bonuses I get from dropzone.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #69 September 6, 2013 Quote Yes, I plan to retire on the fat paychecks and bonuses I get from dropzone.com Sell out. Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #70 September 6, 2013 Remster Quote Yes, I plan to retire on the fat paychecks and bonuses I get from dropzone.com Sell out. Sour grapes. You could be looking forward to that too, if you hadn't quit."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #71 September 7, 2013 Its a black horse with white poka dots. No it's a white horse with black poka dots. No it's a grey horse from way over here. It's not a horse it's a donkey. You fools, its a statue made of plastic. No that's not plastic it's carpet material. How can it be carpet material if the object is in Arizona. It's a handwoven Cherokee rug. Fool, Navajo's lived in Arizona. No you are the fool. It's a Ford car put there by a NYC ad agency in shooting a car commercial. Look, you keep changing the subject. Let's get back on topic... war against whites. Come on what does carpet have anything to do with a war on whites. Are you following along. Maybe when you are in a hole you should stop digging. Are you talking about China. It's not a Navajo rug, its a cheap Chinese imported serape. Oh here you go again talking about sending jobs to China. According to the Constitution I can say what I want. There you go again. What's next... guns. Hey guys, this thread is not about guns, its about the war on whites. Well taking white man's guns is a war on whites. Hey look over there, the horse is gone. Are you dumb, I said it was a donkey. No it wasn't, it was Lady Gaga's new outfit. All I know is, Clint Eastwood looked cool wearing his serape in those Spaghetti Westerns. Just because Clint Eastwood films where referred to as spaghetti westerns doesn't mean everyone referred to them as spaghetti westerns. What do Italians have anything to do with a war on whites. You are not following along. Now there is a fire over there. Smells like plastic is burning. You are not getting it. How could it be plastic when the serape is made of wool. But Lady Gaga only wears polyester. I'm done talking to you. Maybe you should cool it. You are so out of it. Hey, topics about clothing are in the wrong thread. Thread. Well isn't that about clothing...aaaahhhh Got me. You're so funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #72 September 8, 2013 ryoder *** Quote Yes, I plan to retire on the fat paychecks and bonuses I get from dropzone.com Sell out. Sour grapes. You could be looking forward to that too, if you hadn't quit.I quit before the corporate buy-out. Back then, we did't have a "pay-per-ban" program.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #73 September 11, 2013 billvon >If you don't think what is coming is real you better wake up. Yes. All the evil blacks are going to come getcha. Best get lots of guns and move to Montana. It's the only solution. All the black people in Montana behave.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #74 September 11, 2013 rickjump1 ***>If you don't think what is coming is real you better wake up. Yes. All the evil blacks are going to come getcha. Best get lots of guns and move to Montana. It's the only solution. All the black people in Montana behave.Both of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #75 September 14, 2013 www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/09/the-speech-that-shocked-birmingham-the-day-after-the-church-bombing/279565/?google_editors_picks=true... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
