Abortion pill trick?!?!

[normiss 800]

Girlfriend tricked!

Seriously???
What a dick.

[Darius11 12]

cant watch video at work.

Dude gives Girl friend Abortion pill? How far along was she?

Please give summary.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[normiss 800]

NY Daily News in print


Faked a script to force contractions.
Miscarried at about 6 weeks.

[linebckr83 3]

He wanted her to terminate pregnancy, she didn't want to. He convinced her she picked up an illness and needed to take antibiotics to help out. She found out there was no more pregnancy, and while in the hospital found out that the antibiotic was actually an abortion pill. He also told her he worked at that hospital which was a lie. The man pleaded guilty.

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Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!"
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Dudist #52

[airdvr 210]

I'm in agreement that this was an absolutely terrible thing to do and he deserves to be punished.

Now let me play devil's advocate. You know where I'm going with this. Always struggled with the moral inequality of intentionally causing the death of a fetus vs. abortion.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

airdvr

I'm in agreement that this was an absolutely terrible thing to do and he deserves to be punished.

Now let me play devil's advocate. You know where I'm going with this. Always struggled with the moral inequality of intentionally causing the death of a fetus vs. abortion.

It's the woman's body and her fetus. That makes it her choice. Nobody else gets to make that choice.

For an absolutely horrible analogy: I can have my dog put down for any reason I choose. Age, illness, behavioral issues.
I can have him put down for a treatable illness that I don't want to pay for.

But YOU (generic you, not you specifically) cannot kill my dog because (let's say) it pooped on your lawn.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

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[Darius11 12]

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ut YOU (generic you, not you specifically) cannot kill my dog because (let's say) it pooped on your lawn.

If i had to pay for your dogs expense however i think i should have a say. Anything that effects my life that i can have a say on i would like to have a say on.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[airdvr 210]

I get what you're saying but we're not talking about dogs. I can be criminally charged if I'm at fault in a car crash that results in the death of a fetus. So, a fetus is viable and has protection if it's in someone else's body, but not if I'm a pregnant woman and choose to cause it's death? What if I can prove her intentions were to have an abortion? Anyone else here see the quandry?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Darius11 12]

Does a woman have any responsibility if she lies and gets pregnant, or does having a vagina void that responsibility as well?

If I had made an agreement with my SO and she broke it I would be pissed.
Not to mention one that will forever change my life.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[billvon 2,991]

>Does a woman have any responsibility if she lies and gets pregnant

Yes, and that responsibility arrives nine months later.

>If I had made an agreement with my SO and she broke it I would be pissed.

I would too, but a lot of the law around such events centers around the needs of the baby, rather than the feelings of the parents.

[linebckr83 3]

wolfriverjoe

It's the woman's body and her fetus. That makes it her choice. Nobody else gets to make that choice.

For an absolutely horrible analogy: I can have my dog put down for any reason I choose. Age, illness, behavioral issues.

I just hate how the person who is ultimately getting the shit end of the straw has no say yet. How old do you have to be to get your own rights?

I understand the analogy, but it's generally frowned upon to have your dog put down because it is inconvenient to you. You can't kill a birthed human for being an inconvenience, and like airdvr said murder charges can usually be brought upon someone who kills the fetus inside someone else. That all just doesn't add up to me. But I prefer to stay out of abortion debates because I have my own moral compass and those who disagree are pretty firm in their decisions.

"Are you coming to the party?
Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!"
Flying Hellfish #828
Dudist #52

[PixieUK 0]

Am I missing something here?

Whilst I in no way condone what he did, she doesn't exactly seem to be that bright and possibly has been somewhat economical with the truth?

How does somebody manage to fake a prescription for somebody else and get the drugs in the first place? What was she doing taking ANY drugs that she hadn't put in a prescription for i.e. the bit where it says he convinced her she was ill (seriously?) and needed antibiotics (she believes her boyfriend over getting a medical opinion?) and then takes the pill that her boyfriend provides?? What would opinions be if it wasn't an abortion pill he had given her but an ecstasy tablet or some other recreational drug? At what point has she given up responsibility for her own actions?

Edit: her own actions and the subsequent consequences

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[wmw999 2,446]

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I can be criminally charged if I'm at fault in a car crash that results in the death of a fetus. So, a fetus is viable and has protection if it's in someone else's body, but not if I'm a pregnant woman and choose to cause it's death? What if I can prove her intentions were to have an abortion? Anyone else here see the quandry?

That quandary is exactly why, by and large, the death-of-an-early-fetus laws are almost all proposed and pushed by pro-life groups, and commonly opposed by pro-choice groups.

That whole slippery slope thing.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Darius11 12]

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the needs of the baby

Why did you have to say that now i have to say 6 weeks no baby just cells.

Would i go to jail if removed a wart in her sleep?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[winsor 236]

Darius11

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the needs of the baby

Why did you have to say that now i have to say 6 weeks no baby just cells.

Would i go to jail if removed a wart in her sleep?

Well, if you used a chainsaw to do so there is a pretty good chance you'd do more than raise a few eyebrows.

[kelpdiver 2]

PixieUK

How does somebody manage to fake a prescription for somebody else and get the drugs in the first place? What was she doing taking ANY drugs that she hadn't put in a prescription for i.e. the bit where it says he convinced her she was ill (seriously?) and needed antibiotics (she believes her boyfriend over getting a medical opinion?) and then takes the pill that her boyfriend provides?? What would opinions be if it wasn't an abortion pill he had given her but an ecstasy tablet or some other recreational drug? At what point has she given up responsibility for her own actions?

At a further point than this.

Now if the guy says, "Hey, Baby, my dad said there's no problem with you getting shitfaced on this moonshine I made in the bath tub," and she goes ahead and drinks it, sure, all her.

[kelpdiver 2]

Darius11

If i had to pay for your dogs expense however i think i should have a say. Anything that effects my life that i can have a say on i would like to have a say on.

Let me sum it up: "Life isn't always fair." Men get limited input but full financial responsibility here. OTOH, women get the health threatening and career derailing right to carry a fetus to term. Her right to health, and then the baby's right to good health are overriding factors over "fairness."

Don't like the deal? Fine - either abstain, or get that vasectomy/tubal libation. And quit whining.

[LuckyMcSwervy 0]

PixieUK

Am I missing something here?

Whilst I in no way condone what he did, she doesn't exactly seem to be that bright and possibly has been somewhat economical with the truth?

How does somebody manage to fake a prescription for somebody else and get the drugs in the first place? What was she doing taking ANY drugs that she hadn't put in a prescription for i.e. the bit where it says he convinced her she was ill (seriously?) and needed antibiotics (she believes her boyfriend over getting a medical opinion?) and then takes the pill that her boyfriend provides?? What would opinions be if it wasn't an abortion pill he had given her but an ecstasy tablet or some other recreational drug? At what point has she given up responsibility for her own actions?

Edit: her own actions and the subsequent consequences

I didn't reread the article but if IIRC, isn't this guy's father a physician? I believe when this story initially came out a while ago that played into why she took the pills from the boyfriend. I think he said the pills were from his dad, the doctor.

Always be kinder than you feel.

[turtlespeed 220]

billvon

>Does a woman have any responsibility if she lies and gets pregnant

Yes, and that responsibility arrives nine months later.

>If I had made an agreement with my SO and she broke it I would be pissed.

I would too, but a lot of the law around such events centers around the needs of the baby, rather than the feelings of the parents.

So the baby's needs include aborting?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

airdvr

I get what you're saying but we're not talking about dogs. I can be criminally charged if I'm at fault in a car crash that results in the death of a fetus. So, a fetus is viable and has protection if it's in someone else's body, but not if I'm a pregnant woman and choose to cause it's death? What if I can prove her intentions were to have an abortion? Anyone else here see the quandry?

Yes. I see the quandry and I agree that there really isn't a good answer.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[wmw999 2,446]

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Let me sum it up: "Life isn't always fair." Men get limited input but full financial responsibility here. OTOH, women get the health threatening and career derailing right to carry a fetus to term. Her right to health, and then the baby's right to good health are overriding factors over "fairness."

Well said.

But men don't get full financial responsibility -- the woman is expected to contribute; sometimes it's only child care until school age, but after school age, she's expected to work as well. That's the honorable (or findable) men and women. The baby can always be given up for adoption, the man can run away unfindably, etc. as well.

The best answer really is to consider the consequences. Not everyone does -- that has to be dealt with regardless.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 2,991]

>So the baby's needs include aborting?

Nope. But some fetuses are aborted by their mother.

[kelpdiver 2]

wmw999

But men don't get full financial responsibility -

I phrased that poorly. Didn't mean to imply that women got a freebie, just contrasting that men have limited input on decision #2 - having the kid (#1 being "let's do it"), but the full financial share as one of two parents. Inconsistent, but for the reasons given.

[turtlespeed 220]

billvon

>So the baby's needs include aborting?

Nope. But some fetuses are aborted by their mother.

Ahhhhh. So it is only a baby until the body that is around it wants to kill it, then its a fetus. Gotcha.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Darius11 12]

kelpdiver

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If i had to pay for your dogs expense however i think i should have a say. Anything that effects my life that i can have a say on i would like to have a say on.

Let me sum it up: "Life isn't always fair." Men get limited input but full financial responsibility here. OTOH, women get the health threatening and career derailing right to carry a fetus to term. Her right to health, and then the baby's right to good health are overriding factors over "fairness."

Don't like the deal? Fine - either abstain, or get that vasectomy/tubal libation. And quit whining.
I really didn’t need you to sum anything up. Especially when your mentality is to submit no matter how illogical a situation is.

Adults make an agreement they need to honor it, having a vagina does not void that. Neither does having a kid. At minimum the party that has been wronged (lied too) should carry ZERO liability, and should be able to decide how involved they would like to be THEIR CHOICE.

I see nothing wrong with what this kid did. Your trying to fuck me out of my life giving you an abortion pill when your 8 weeks she got off easy.

Off course this only applies if both parties had an agreement in the first place.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain