normiss 800 #26 September 11, 2013 QuoteI see nothing wrong with what this kid did. Your trying to fuck me out of my life giving you an abortion pill when your 8 weeks she got off easy. Seriously??? Please tell me I am misunderstanding your comment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #27 September 11, 2013 First: 8 weeks, that's a a baby??? Quote The baby can always be given up for adoption, the man can run away unfindably, etc. as well. Which means never have a normal life.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #28 September 11, 2013 I see. So because you, the man, are just as careless with your sperm as she was with her eggs. You both as adults accepted this risk. Now that she's pregnant with your offspring. It's ok to abort the baby by force and deceit. Don't want to support your own babies, keep your pecker in your pocket. Otherwise man the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #29 September 11, 2013 If they had an agreement not to have children (you know adults should talk and decide what they want to do, and hold up their end of a bargain) and she purposely broke it yes seriously. There are ifs in there off course, but the ifs i had mentioned from the start. If they never talked and just had sex then you have to deal with your stupidity, if there was an agreement then i hold the party that broke said agreement responsible.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #30 September 11, 2013 normissI see. So because you, the man, are just as careless with your sperm as she was with her eggs. You both as adults accepted this risk. Now that she's pregnant with your offspring. It's ok to abort the baby by force and deceit. Don't want to support your own babies, keep your pecker in your pocket. Otherwise man the fuck up. Hypothetical . . . What if she says she has had her tubes tied and/or a hysterectomy? If the guy says he has had a vasectomy, and lies about it and she ends up preggers, she has a choice . . . Not the case vice versa.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #31 September 11, 2013 Darius11If they had an agreement not to have children (you know adults should talk and decide what they want to do, and hold up their end of a bargain) and she purposely broke it yes seriously. There are ifs in there off course, but the ifs i had mentioned from the start. If they never talked and just had sex then you have to deal with your stupidity, if there was an agreement then i hold the party that broke said agreement responsible. I personally know a guy that was under the impression that his SO had a BC Implant. I say "under the impression" because during the "I want a baby" talk, she had it removed without his knowledge. They ended up with a child. Who is at fault there?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #32 September 11, 2013 QuoteI see. No you don't your so busy trying to be white night that your blind. Quotere just as careless with your sperm as she was with her eggs. Read the ifs, If we had agreed and she had said she will take the pill, then she didn't on purpose to trap my ass then yes. Do you think woman are not as smart as men? What’s the reason for them in your eyes to be held to an agreement? You need to not have such a low view of females my friend, they are capable of the same shit men are. Grow up QuoteIt's ok to abort the baby by force and deceit. If she used deceit to get you to be hers or that she always has a power over you. Your ok with that Right. What a double world you live in buddy. Deceit is deceit when a woman does it it doesn;t make it cute.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #33 September 11, 2013 QuoteDon't want to support your own babies, keep your pecker in your pocket. Otherwise man the fuck up. That dude manned the fuck up when he gave her the pill when she was going to fuck him out of his life. You do know you can fuck and not make kids now days right?? Adults do it all the time you just need a partner who you can trust.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #34 September 11, 2013 That fucking is the responsibility of BOTH people doing it. Reproduction is not entirely HER responsibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #35 September 11, 2013 She is/ if she lied to him and say oh cum inside me i am on pills, BC implant etc. If he was religious then he is really fucked because abortion is not even in the picture so now he has an 18 year car payment. OH and I am sure he is happy all mothers and fathers are happy……..unless you speak to one who is honest that is. I don't think trusting people makes you guilty i think people who lie and break the trust are guilty.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #36 September 11, 2013 spinning in circles. Your adults, you do some things she does some things. That's what a relationship is. You talk you decide when someone does something that you had never agreed to something that will FUCK your life up its not hard to figure out who to blame. Do you live in real life or a public service announcement? Been with girls who couldn;t take the pills because it had a bad effect, so i wore a condom (because we are adults and we talk). Been with girls who hate condoms and they were on the pill (that was awesome no condoms) these by the way are relationships not one night stands. So yes people do actully live life and don;t try to pretend there so PC all the time. So when you eat pussy do you always take the plastic out and cover it JUST IN CASE. COME ON Come back to reality manI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #37 September 11, 2013 QuoteThat dude manned the fuck up when he gave her the pill when she was going to fuck him out of his life. That's "maning up" for you? Wow.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linebckr83 3 #38 September 11, 2013 RemsterQuoteThat dude manned the fuck up when he gave her the pill when she was going to fuck him out of his life. That's "maning up" for you? Wow. Quite the man."Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #39 September 11, 2013 kelpdiver*** But men don't get full financial responsibility - I phrased that poorly. Didn't mean to imply that women got a freebie, just contrasting that men have limited input on decision #2 - having the kid (#1 being "let's do it"), but the full financial share as one of two parents. Inconsistent, but for the reasons given. It's not always that the woman wants the child, man does not. Sometimes it's reversed. Either way it's still her choice.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #40 September 11, 2013 Perhaps one could draw up a legal document for a couple for what would be done if the woman becomes pregnant. This wouldn't force the woman to abide with what was in the contract, but might relinquish the man's responsibilities should she choose not to.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #41 September 11, 2013 QuoteShe is/ if she lied to him and say oh cum inside me i am on pills, BC implant etc. The second the guy in this example decided to not take responsibility for his own birth control and wear a condom if he didn't want a child, he took responsibility for the possibility that a child would be born. End of story.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #42 September 11, 2013 >So it is only a baby until the body that is around it wants to kill it, then its a fetus. Gotcha. Nope, wrong again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #43 September 11, 2013 You realize that the pill isn't 100% effective right? This thread has really drifted. I disagree with your example only because it takes an egg and some man batter to make a kid. Shared responsibility regardless of any measures that are being used for birth control. After that all bets are off and she's holding the dice. In contrast, I understand the frustration of a man if the woman professes to not want children and, only after the birth control methods have failed, changes her mind and decides she will have the baby. That's a problem.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #44 September 11, 2013 >If he was religious then he is really fucked because abortion is not even in the picture >so now he has an 18 year car payment. Kids are not cars. Fortunately you have a way to avoid this 100% - don't have sex with women who you do not want to impregnate. If you do, you are taking that risk. Anyone who does not understand this . . . probably shouldn't he having sex anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #45 September 11, 2013 QuoteFortunately you have a way to avoid this 100% - don't have sex with women who you do not want to impregnate. If you do, you are taking that risk. Anyone who does not understand this . . . probably shouldn't he having sex anyway. It's pretty simple, isn't it? If you don't want to have a child with this woman, don't have sex with her. Or *at least* take responsibility for your own birth control. It's not *her* responsibility to protect you.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #46 September 11, 2013 As my father used to tell me: "Never sleep with a woman you wouldn't want to marry. Just in case you would ever have to." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #47 September 11, 2013 QuoteAdults make an agreement they need to honor it, having a vagina does not void that. Neither does having a kid. At minimum the party that has been wronged (lied too) should carry ZERO liability, and should be able to decide how involved they would like to be THEIR CHOICE.So if a guy lies about being sterile, the woman won't get pregnant? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #48 September 11, 2013 Bolas****** But men don't get full financial responsibility - I phrased that poorly. Didn't mean to imply that women got a freebie, just contrasting that men have limited input on decision #2 - having the kid (#1 being "let's do it"), but the full financial share as one of two parents. Inconsistent, but for the reasons given. It's not always that the woman wants the child, man does not. Sometimes it's reversed. Either way it's still her choice. RIGHT . . . which is why I stated earlier that a baby is only a baby (from conception on) until the body growing it wants it dead, then it's a fetus.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #49 September 11, 2013 >So if a guy lies about being sterile, the woman won't get pregnant? That's TOTALLY different. I mean, women expect their lives to be ruined via pregnancy; why ruin a man's life too, just for a little exaggeration? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #50 September 11, 2013 normiss That fucking is the responsibility of BOTH people doing it. Reproduction is not entirely HER responsibility. Heh . . . So . . . He pays for the implant because both of them agree that it would not be a good time to have a baby and both agree that it is the best option.. She feels the relationship is "needing something", so she has the implant removed. She lies by omission and then directly. Through all the discussions she brings up about having kids, he never changes his position. He asks how long they have until the implant needs to be replaced. He was told at least 2 years. 10 days later, she announces the pregnancy. He finds out that she had it removed over 90 Days ago. (More or less 30 days before the first discussion was even brought up) Reasonably, Logically, who is it that should be held responsible and who should not? Be honest with yourself. Should you be held responsible if someone steals your identity? Should you be held responsible for something the POTUS did, just because you voted for him? Should you have to go to jail just because you were watching a fire an arson started? Seriously . . . what would the right thing be.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
