Abortion pill trick?!?!

[Darius11 12]

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Giving her something that can impact her health without her knowledge is wrong; two wrongs don't make a right. But boy was she wrong, too, if that's really how it happened. Obviously he didn't pick well for stick-dipping.

The big difference is that he will pay for this for the rest of his life, I think your right on by saying there is no good answer.
But when you consider these things that are possible I might think two wrongs don’t make a right but I get why someone might give a woman like that an abortion pill and tell her its vitamin C.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[normiss 800]

How silly of us to not understand that women are simply fuck sticks for men's pleasure!
Fuck them and their offspring.
Where's the beer?




Good luck with that!




We're not saying these things in an attempt to favor the ladies.
It's more of a clear understanding of the acceptance of responsibility for OUR OWN actions.
Grow the hell up already.
Before you find yourself in a child support situation.
The one where the donor dad has the fuck you woman and your kids and the courts and the fucking money attitude.
Yea. YOUR offspring will understand that 1000% percent.
So will the courts. Your former employer. The jail you're in. The bank holding the note on your house. The car you used to own.
The children that used to call you dad. The trip back into jail upon release because you're a deadbeat sperm donor that doesn't MTFU and own his own responsibilities.

Don't let the truth of the world mess with your fantasies there buddy.

[turtlespeed 220]

normiss

Don't let the truth of the world mess with your fantasies there buddy.

You sound angry.

Do you have any comment on the situation that I wrote?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 800]

Accepting reality does not equate anger.

[rehmwa 2]

normiss

Accepting reality does not equate anger.

though the delivery is distasteful, I think the real point is that

1 - men and women have different options after the fact that are in no way equal - prior to the act, they all have the same options. this route is a non-starter as it doesn't get into the area where options are imbalanced.

2 - as for after the fact, there are quite a few options that could allow men and women 'equivalent' options, though

3 - the law, and stifling discourse like this thread, have disallowed that ability to define 'equivalent' options - such that the current status is all in extreme favor of the female.

4 - this is contradictory to a professed belief that the sexes should be treated as equally as possible.

it's emotional, because it comes down children's lives being in conflict with choice and abortion options

and it's not an issue with most - so the area has to be explored in outlier scenarios like Turtle's offering. So dismissing that out of hand is just burying heads in sand.

it's not an easy discussion, but it goes nowhere when first, the discussing is opened in a vulgar and rude manner, but also when it's not directed to a more productive discussion

this is just the same old post again, with the same players continuing to overshout each other with emotional canned quotes and bumper sticker content and cover their ears - lalalalalalalalala

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[champu 1]

rehmwa

this is just the same old post again, with the same players continuing to overshout each other with emotional canned quotes and bumper sticker content and cover their ears - lalalalalalalalala

It's more amusing if you imagine people as Zapp Brannigan.

[rehmwa 2]

champu

It's more amusing if you imagine people as Zapp Brannigan.

Captain Zapp Brannigan: As my protégé you should know that the only way to deal with a female adversary is to seduce her.
[Kif groans]

Captain Zapp Brannigan: This time we are sure she's a woman, right?

Kif Kroker: *Yes*.

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"We both know you won't get halfway to Vergon 6 before THE CRAVING sets in. Then, you'll come crawling back for some sweet, sweet candy. .....BAM.".
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Captain Zapp Brannigan: So, crawling back to the big Z like a bird on its belly. Delicious.

Leela: Birds don't crawl.

Captain Zapp Brannigan: They've been known to

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[turtlespeed 220]

champu

***this is just the same old post again, with the same players continuing to overshout each other with emotional canned quotes and bumper sticker content and cover their ears - lalalalalalalalala

It's more amusing if you imagine people as Zapp Brannigan.

Awwwe, How about Duke Nukem?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 800]

I won't apologize for using a potty mouth to respond to a vulgar perspective.

We're supposed to act like adults when it comes to the responsibility of sex and it's results.

The law has been forced to overly protect the women.
Some attitudes in this thread clearly show why.

I was never angry over paying child support. I love my kids and would do anything for them.
I was repeatedly floored by the actions of the donor dads I saw in the legal system. They generally deserved the legal treatment they were receiving. Not all, but most.

Don't want to support or raise a kid. Prevent having one.
It IS that simple.

[airdvr 210]

Agreed. I take my parenting responsibility seriously. I'm proud that a couple of years ago I got a call for Child Support Enforcement to inform me that I was too far ahead in my payments. I chuckled and told the caseworker that she probably doesn't get a chance to make that call very often.

Anytime morals and money interact it will usually be money that wins the day. All types of individuals in this system. It is skewed in favor of the mother, at least in Ohio but I think most cases involve kids living with the mother, so it is mostly as it should be. There are the sensational cases like the guy that fathered a bunch of kids by 4 or 5 women, or the women who had 15 kids and was adamant that someone needed to take responsiblity.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[turtlespeed 220]

normiss

I won't apologize for using a potty mouth to respond to a vulgar perspective.

We're supposed to act like adults when it comes to the responsibility of sex and it's results.

The law has been forced to overly protect the women.
Some attitudes in this thread clearly show why.

I was never angry over paying child support. I love my kids and would do anything for them.
I was repeatedly floored by the actions of the donor dads I saw in the legal system. They generally deserved the legal treatment they were receiving. Not all, but most.

Don't want to support or raise a kid. Prevent having one.
It IS that simple.

When one reasonably believes that he is safe from that option, and is intentionally defrauded, it is NOT his responsibility, logically, legally it is different.

It's like saying you buy a car, one day the kid runs out in front of your car and because you bought the car you now have to pay a grand a month. Wasn't your fault, you couldn't avoid it, except for not buying a car and driving.

The difference is that there are laws in place that protect you regarding the car. There are none that I know of that protect men from fraudulent women. There do seem to be plenty that supposedly protect women though.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Southern_Man 0]

Bolas

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Assuming IUDs can only be removed by a doctor, subpoena the medical records, and the man might be able to show malice to limit/eliminate his financial responsibility.

This would have no effect on the man's financial responsibility.

It's no longer a case of he said/she said or an "accident." Willful, deliberate, and most importantly evidentiary proof. May even be enough to get the woman declared an unfit mother and put the baby up for adoption.

You either have no knowledge of the legal standard for removal of children or no experience in the system.

Either that or you are simply posting on the way you think things "ought to be." No matter how much you might wish they were that way, they aren't.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[normiss 800]

I, ME personally, purchase auto insurance. (a few other types of insurance too) - I never rely on someone else telling me "I got you covered".

Same with sexual relations and safe sex practices.

IMO opinion, what appears to be favoring the women in the law is actually intended to protect the children.
As it should be IMO.

[turtlespeed 220]

normiss

I, ME personally, purchase auto insurance. (a few other types of insurance too) - I never rely on someone else telling me "I got you covered".

Same with sexual relations and safe sex practices.

IMO opinion, what appears to be favoring the women in the law is actually intended to protect the children.
As it should be IMO.

Insurance has no place in this debate. Unless insurance is available for paternal fraud.

The fact is, the mother lied, and committed a form of fraud.

There is no recourse for that. The man in this case has absolutely no choice and all because a trust and an agreement was broken intentionally.

. . . but it was done by the girl, so that makes it ok, right?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[airdvr 210]

I guess the problem I have with all of this conversation is the assumption that the guy's life is royally fucked by fathering a child. It's not and if you peel the outer layers off he just might find it's the best thing that ever happened.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[turtlespeed 220]

airdvr

I guess the problem I have with all of this conversation is the assumption that the guy's life is royally fucked by fathering a child. It's not and if you peel the outer layers off he just might find it's the best thing that ever happened.

Just because the guy makes the best of a situation does not justify the original immorality and fraud.

This may illustrate my point.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[airdvr 210]

turtlespeed

***I guess the problem I have with all of this conversation is the assumption that the guy's life is royally fucked by fathering a child. It's not and if you peel the outer layers off he just might find it's the best thing that ever happened.

Just because the guy makes the best of a situation does not justify the original immorality and fraud.

This may illustrate my point.

Ahh...justification. Now we've started down a slippery slope. So many things in my life I can't justify that I just try to stop letting it get in my way.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[labrys 0]

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The man in this case has absolutely no choice...

He could have chosen to wear a condom

Owned by Remi #?

[normiss 800]

No way!
Apparently some folks miss that.



Don't want kids?
Don't make them.

Don't blame someone else when you do.

[Bolas 5]

airdvr

I guess the problem I have with all of this conversation is the assumption that the guy's life is royally fucked by fathering a child. It's not and if you peel the outer layers off he just might find it's the best thing that ever happened.

Oh yeah a lying mother and a trapped father are gonna be great parents/role models.

The best their kids can hope for is that the two part ways and their step parents do a better job.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Bolas 5]

Southern_Man

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Assuming IUDs can only be removed by a doctor, subpoena the medical records, and the man might be able to show malice to limit/eliminate his financial responsibility.

This would have no effect on the man's financial responsibility.

It's no longer a case of he said/she said or an "accident." Willful, deliberate, and most importantly evidentiary proof. May even be enough to get the woman declared an unfit mother and put the baby up for adoption.

You either have no knowledge of the legal standard for removal of children or no experience in the system.

Either that or you are simply posting on the way you think things "ought to be." No matter how much you might wish they were that way, they aren't.

That's sad as any woman who'd intentionally "trap" a man with a pregnancy should not be a parent. Removing the child from the start would give that child the best chance and removes any "reward" of her deception.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Bolas 5]

labrys

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The man in this case has absolutely no choice...

He could have chosen to wear a condom

And if he wore a condom but has physical/video evidence showing the woman getting pregnant by taking the condom from the trash and inserting the sperm into herself?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[normiss 800]

Immaculate conception!

[wmw999 2,446]

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. . . but it was done by the girl, so that makes it ok, right?

I have not seen anyone in this thread think that it's OK. It's not OK, it's shitty, devious, deceptive, and cruel. It totally, totally, sucks.

Hopefully that kind of deception is rare. Just as hopefully the guy who gets a woman pregnant and doesn't hang around is rare (i.e. some guys lie about their name). Guys do lie to get women in bed, too, and she can end up just as pregnant.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[labrys 0]

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And if he wore a condom but has physical/video evidence showing the woman getting pregnant by taking the condom from the trash and inserting the sperm into herself?

Lol. I guess he should put the video on Youtube or something.

Owned by Remi #?