BHO's bogus birth certificate revisited

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

If you feed the smartest of people bad data, they can make bad decisions.

Whether or not Bush was at the helm of the decisions about what data (or lack thereof) would be paid attention to and what data (or lack thereof) would be ignored is not known. But if the Foreign Affairs and other committees were given bad data, they were likely to make bad decisions, particularly in a post-911 "are you patriotic enough" environment.

Wendy P.

the point is the lie about Bush
This decision was not make only by him
He did not Lie to get this done
He had many other contries with him who belived the same as he did who went in with us

But political agenda is to blame Bush
That is the BS I am countering

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

Opie

***BHO's two term election, 9-11 and the Jonestown Massacre are events of world tragedy that I can never erase from my mind.

Ironic that the train of thought I see in most of your posts reminds me of the Jonestown Massacre and it's leader. [\quote]

I would strongly suggest you get some professional help if this progresses to hearing voices. You don't own any firearms do you?

[DanG 1]

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the point is the lie about Bush
This decision was not make only by him
He did not Lie to get this done
He had many other contries with him who belived the same as he did who went in with us

But political agenda is to blame Bush
That is the BS I am countering

Whether or not Bush himself has personal responsibility is open for debate. Blaming the Bush Administration, however, with emphasis on certain members (Cheney especially) seems pretty well indisputable.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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the point is the lie about Bush
This decision was not make only by him
He did not Lie to get this done
He had many other contries with him who belived the same as he did who went in with us

But political agenda is to blame Bush
That is the BS I am countering

Whether or not Bush himself has personal responsibility is open for debate. Blaming the Bush Administration, however, with emphasis on certain members (Cheney especially) seems pretty well indisputable.

To the left with an agenda?
Yes

But the truth is what it is
and that does not support you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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But the truth is what it is
and that does not support you

The truth is that intelligence was manipulated at some level. Many reports put that level at the VPs office. Intelligence that supported the push for war was hyped, contradicting intelligence was downplayed. It's really, truly not in dispute, regardless of agenda. We fucked up.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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But the truth is what it is
and that does not support you

The truth is that intelligence was manipulated at some level. Many reports put that level at the VPs office. Intelligence that supported the push for war was hyped, contradicting intelligence was downplayed. It's really, truly not in dispute, regardless of agenda. We fucked up.

I highlighted the biggest lie the left clings to
There are NO reports that suggest this
Never have been
But the tin foil hatters love it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[RonD1120 62]

I can understand what you say. From the outside looking in it is difficult to discern the big picture. The big difference is that I only offer the Gospel of Jesus Christ of Nazareth not utopia or kool-aid. I am just a voice in cyberspace. You make you own choices strictly on your own.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Gravitymaster 0]

DanG

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But the truth is what it is
and that does not support you

The truth is that intelligence was manipulated at some level. Many reports put that level at the VPs office. Intelligence that supported the push for war was hyped, contradicting intelligence was downplayed. It's really, truly not in dispute, regardless of agenda. We fucked up.

So intel must have been manipulated but you have no idea at what level? Then how can you claim it's not in dispute? So it "must have" been that Cheney, with his shifty eyes, who else could it have been.

You are funny.

[rushmc 23]

Gravitymaster

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But the truth is what it is
and that does not support you

The truth is that intelligence was manipulated at some level. Many reports put that level at the VPs office. Intelligence that supported the push for war was hyped, contradicting intelligence was downplayed. It's really, truly not in dispute, regardless of agenda. We fucked up.

So intel must have been manipulated but you have no idea at what level? Then how can you claim it's not in dispute? So it "must have" been that Cheney, with his shifty eyes, who else could it have been.

You are funny.

funny?

These people vote

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,447]

Yes, in fact, people who disagree with you do vote. It's not scary. What's scary to me are the single-issue voters who don't give a shit about anything as long as a person has the right letter or specific endorsement.

This is a far more complex country than can be handled with a simplistic set of answers.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

Yes, in fact, people who disagree with you do vote. It's not scary. What's scary to me are the single-issue voters who don't give a shit about anything as long as a person has the right letter or specific endorsement.

This is a far more complex country than can be handled with a simplistic set of answers.

Wendy P.

I dont mind the single issue voters (their choice)
but when the single issue is based on the lie that info was manipulated by the WH is what is scarry

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,027]

Gravitymaster

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But the truth is what it is
and that does not support you

The truth is that intelligence was manipulated at some level. Many reports put that level at the VPs office. Intelligence that supported the push for war was hyped, contradicting intelligence was downplayed. It's really, truly not in dispute, regardless of agenda. We fucked up.

So intel must have been manipulated but you have no idea at what level? Then how can you claim it's not in dispute? So it "must have" been that Cheney, with his shifty eyes, who else could it have been.

You are funny.

Who had the clout in the Bush administration to do it? Some anonymous under-secretary?

You and rushmc need to read Wendy's latest thread.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wmw999 2,447]

Why do you think it's a lie?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[DanG 1]

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These people vote

Don't be a dick.

- Dan G

[kallend 2,027]

wmw999

Why do you think it's a lie?

Wendy P.

You just started a thread that explains it.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[skypuppy 1]

DanG

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But the truth is what it is
and that does not support you

The truth is that intelligence was manipulated at some level. Many reports put that level at the VPs office. Intelligence that supported the push for war was hyped, contradicting intelligence was downplayed. It's really, truly not in dispute, regardless of agenda. We fucked up.

hmmm. sounds like benghazi to me. Maybe in reverse...

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

Why do you think it's a lie?

Wendy P.

What?

There is nothing that suggest anyone manipulated intel
It would have to been done for 5 plus years before Bush got to office

The left is making the acusation

YOU prove the intel was manipulated

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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So intel must have been manipulated but you have no idea at what level?

Read again. I didn't say I have no idea. I said many people believe, with pretty solid justification, that it rose to the level of the VPs office.

Look at it another way. There are lots of people here who just know in their bones that the Benghazi incident did not go down like the WH said. They can't prove it, though. Does that mean that they have no idea what they are talking about? If you think so, I expect you'll encourage them to shut up about it.

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Then how can you claim it's not in dispute?

Well, I guess I should have said it is not in dispute among people without a reason to ignore the facts.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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These people vote

Don't be a dick.

Hit a nerve?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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hmmm. sounds like benghazi to me. Maybe in reverse...

Exactly. So why do some believe the WH would lie to the public in one instance, but couldn't possibly have lied in another?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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So intel must have been manipulated but you have no idea at what level?

Read again. I didn't say I have no idea. I said many people believe, with pretty solid justification, that it rose to the level of the VPs office.

Look at it another way. There are lots of people here who just know in their bones that the Benghazi incident did not go down like the WH said. They can't prove it, though. Does that mean that they have no idea what they are talking about? If you think so, I expect you'll encourage them to shut up about it.

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Then how can you claim it's not in dispute?

Well, I guess I should have said it is not in dispute among people without a reason to ignore the facts.

You need to read your post
And then comprend it

You are buying into tinfoil hat country

Your choice I guess

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Hit a nerve?

Yeah, it did. I started writing a post comparing my level of intelligence and educational attainment to yours, but then I thought, "why be a dick?"

So I decided to give you the same advice I gave myself.

BTW, I've probably voted for Republicans as many times as I've voted for Democrats.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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hmmm. sounds like benghazi to me. Maybe in reverse...

Exactly. So why do some believe the WH would lie to the public in one instance, but couldn't possibly have lied in another?

This is not about what you believe
You made a statement that intel was manipulated
Now you are backtracking a bit

There are NO reports
You said there are reports

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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You need to read your post
And then comprend it

You are buying into tinfoil hat country

Your choice I guess

The fact that intelligence was selected to support the push for war in Iraq is a simple fact. Perhaps it was a case of selction bias, and not done for nefarious purposes. I don't know. But it was clearly done. The VP made it clear that he wanted to go to war with Iraq. He wanted evidence to support that. It's not a conspiracy theory. It is history.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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Hit a nerve?

Yeah, it did. I started writing a post comparing my level of intelligence and educational attainment to yours, but then I thought, "why be a dick?"

So I decided to give you the same advice I gave myself.

BTW, I've probably voted for Republicans as many times as I've voted for Democrats.

This has nothing to do with any voting record
YOU made it known you believe that maybe Chenny manipulated intel
You stated there are reports suggesting this
Post one please
Now, if you said there are those think the intel must have been manipulated then we have no arguement
but this is as far as it goes

My point was, people buying into tinfoil hat stories vote based on those stories. they use these "reports" to make them feel better about their world view

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln