BHO's bogus birth certificate revisited

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Gravitymaster

Right, because smaller government and deregulation lead to slave labor and big government with lots of regulation leads to more freedom.

More freedom & more personal responsibility / accountability = more people acting like dicks to each other.

Just look at the interpersonal interaction on the internet, for example.

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yoink

***Right, because smaller government and deregulation lead to slave labor and big government with lots of regulation leads to more freedom.

More freedom & more personal responsibility / accountability = more people acting like dicks to each other.

Just look at the interpersonal interaction on the internet, for example.

I cannot even begin to fathom this level of crazy.

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DanG

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The whole damned government wanted to go to war with Iraq

The whole government wanted to go to war because they were presented with faulty intelligence. They didn't all just get out of bed one day and say, "Let's go to war!"

It was manufactured intel. Wilson said there was no WMDs and Cheney outted his wife Valery Plame. It was Cheney who sent
Bush to North Dakota Via AF 1, to be safe, on Sept 11, while Cheney was in the White House. Bush, finally put his foot down and said: Take me to DC. Cheney is the reason for the SECOND Iraq was so that his firm Halliburton could make billions.

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Hi 83,

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I've never heard of someone who votes strictly so that women can abort their babies.

You have now.

JerryBaumchen

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RonD1120

But, what is more frightening is that he was able to get elected, twice. The fact that the voters chose an unknown socialist with no credentials over someone with proven experience is our shame.

He was able to get elected twice because the competition came across as middle aged rich white bigots.

The thing about an election is, if you want to win, you need a stronger candidate, and a policy portfolio that is better than "Vote for us because the other guy is rubbish"

The GOP had neither.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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Gravitymaster

I cannot even begin to fathom this level of crazy.

Aw. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I'm touched.

You really don't see any link between personal self-regulation rather than a centralized form, a lack of accountability and an increase in the likelihood of decent human beings becoming assholes to each other?

[billvon 2,991]

>Now I have to think about what the BHO administration is going to do to Israel . . .

Probably nothing - which is good. I like the current administration primarily because of what they are NOT doing, which is killing tens of thousands of innocent people and causing the deaths of thousands of US servicemen and women.

>But, what is more frightening is that he was able to get elected, twice. The fact that
>the voters chose an unknown socialist with no credentials over someone with proven
>experience is our shame.

One of two things are possible:

1) Most Americans are stupider than you, and only you and a very few other people are smart and superior enough to see all the conspiracies, treacheries and deceptions.

2) Most Americans are in fact pretty rational people and chose the lesser of two evils.

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JerryBaumchen

Hi 83,

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I've never heard of someone who votes strictly so that women can abort their babies.

You have now.

JerryBaumchen

there are single issue voters all over the place
My problem with them is those who believe a lie regarding their single issue

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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billvon

>Now I have to think about what the BHO administration is going to do to Israel . . .

Probably nothing - which is good. I like the current administration primarily because of what they are NOT doing, which is killing tens of thousands of innocent people and causing the deaths of thousands of US servicemen and women.

>But, what is more frightening is that he was able to get elected, twice. The fact that
>the voters chose an unknown socialist with no credentials over someone with proven
>experience is our shame.

One of two things are possible:

1) Most Americans are stupider than you, and only you and a very few other people are smart and superior enough to see all the conspiracies, treacheries and deceptions.

2) Most Americans are in fact pretty rational people and chose the lesser of two evils.

In this case it was a percieved evil narrated by the media

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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billvon

One of two things are possible:

1) Most Americans are stupider than you, and only you and a very few other people are smart and superior enough to see all the conspiracies, treacheries and deceptions.

2) Most Americans are in fact pretty rational people and chose the lesser of two evils.

Your first statement lacks respect and only serves a an attempt at condescension. However, about 50% of Americans are gathering in the camp where I reside.

Number 2, I agree in part. We are forced to choose between the lesser of two evils in most cases. Keep in mind rational does not equate with intelligently aware.

I have to accept the fact that the weaker, subservient, personally irresponsible are winning. America is going to decline. We will sink to the level of the Europeans. It is the progressive movement and it is gaining strength. I don't have to like it. I have found my place for my last stand.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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In this case it was a percieved evil narrated by the media

A case could be made that Sarah Palin lost McCain the election (it would have been closer, definitely). She wasn't perceived, she was right up there in front of everyone.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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However, about 50% of Americans are gathering in the camp where I reside.

If that's true, you shouldn't have any trouble fixing the government.

- Dan G

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DanG

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However, about 50% of Americans are gathering in the camp where I reside.

If that's true, you shouldn't have any trouble fixing the government.

Fixing the government is a fool's task. We are looking to survival as the only viable option.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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DanG

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However, about 50% of Americans are gathering in the camp where I reside.

If that's true, you shouldn't have any trouble fixing the government.

There is barely anything worth fixing now.

It will be erased and we will have to start over eventually.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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wmw999

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In this case it was a percieved evil narrated by the media

A case could be made that Sarah Palin lost McCain the election (it would have been closer, definitely). She wasn't perceived, she was right up there in front of everyone.

Wendy P.

That is BS Wendy
Palin added to the ticket, excited the base, and got him MORE votes

McCain was a media chozen canidate as well
The left was all for him until the real vote came up

But you are acepting the media narative
Another example I guess

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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billvon

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One of two things are possible:

1) Most Americans are stupider than you, and only you and a very few other people are smart and superior enough to see all the conspiracies, treacheries and deceptions.

I just saw this as I went by, so the context is not what I'm commenting on.

But you HAVE to see the irony of someone posting that flavor of comment to another poster. Seriously.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[wmw999 2,447]

No, it's not. I have direct relatives who would almost certainly have voted for McCain without Palin. Neither of the ones I discussed it with cared much for Obama (one was a Hillary supporter, the other kind of liked McCain remembering him from 2000).

I was not particularly an Obama supporter either; I thought 2008 was too early for him. But Sarah Palin was a slap in the face, pandering to the right, and not a serious thinker. Had he picked Kay Bailey Hutchinson (who is just as conservative, but known for thinking and discussing, not pontificating), I would very possibly have voted for McCain. I've voted for Hutchinson repeatedly. It's much less certain in my case than in my other relatives', but a distinct possibility.

I doubt we're the only ones in the US. That's not media perception.

There's a "media perception" that comes from listening to the right-wing media as well.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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rehmwa

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One of two things are possible:

1) Most Americans are stupider than you, and only you and a very few other people are smart and superior enough to see all the conspiracies, treacheries and deceptions.

I just saw this as I went by, so the context is not what I'm commenting on.

But you HAVE to see the irony of someone posting that flavor of comment to another poster. Seriously.

You have to consider the source . . . I'm just surprised Kallend didn't say it first.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DanG 1]

I almost certainly would have voted for McCain had he not picked Palin. I think my mother would have, as well.

Palin lost McCain votes.

- Dan G

[billvon 2,991]

>Your first statement lacks respect and only serves a an attempt at condescension.

Funny, based on what you say below.

>However, about 50% of Americans are gathering in the camp where I reside.

Agreed. Obama got about 51% of the popular vote, so "your camp" contains about 49% of voters. In fact, Obama is the first president since Dwight D. Eisenhower to top 51% - twice.

>We are forced to choose between the lesser of two evils in most cases. Keep in mind
>rational does not equate with intelligently aware.

Agreed. There are plenty of preppers and conspiracy theorists who consider themselves "intelligently aware" that aren't really rational.

>I have to accept the fact that the weaker, subservient, personally irresponsible are
>winning.

Thus indicating both your remarkable level of condescension and lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with you.

>I have found my place for my last stand.

That's your decision. I hope you don't take any innocent people with you.

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billvon

>I have found my place for my last stand.

That's your decision. I hope you don't take any innocent people with you.

What is your definition of innocent?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

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>I have found my place for my last stand.

That's your decision. I hope you don't take any innocent people with you.

What is your definition of innocent?

I'm curious as to what he meant by that too?
Is he accusing you of belonging to a cult?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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wmw999

No, it's not. I have direct relatives who would almost certainly have voted for McCain without Palin. Neither of the ones I discussed it with cared much for Obama (one was a Hillary supporter, the other kind of liked McCain remembering him from 2000).

I was not particularly an Obama supporter either; I thought 2008 was too early for him. But Sarah Palin was a slap in the face, pandering to the right, and not a serious thinker. Had he picked Kay Bailey Hutchinson (who is just as conservative, but known for thinking and discussing, not pontificating), I would very possibly have voted for McCain. I've voted for Hutchinson repeatedly. It's much less certain in my case than in my other relatives', but a distinct possibility.

I doubt we're the only ones in the US. That's not media perception.

There's a "media perception" that comes from listening to the right-wing media as well.

Wendy P.

Wendy
What you posted here shows you just took what you were told and ran with it

A perfect example of my point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ianmdrennan 2]

Christianity certainly fits the definition of a cult to me. Pretty much all organized religion does, surely?

Performance Designs Factory Team

[wmw999 2,447]

So in other words you're saying that my relatives lied to me? One voted for Bush in 2004, both in 2000. They are the kind of close relatives that I talk to.

Or are you saying that I'm a liar when I say that the Palin selection certainly made me stop considering McCain.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)