rickjump1 0 #1 October 4, 2013 http://visiontoamerica.com/15956/uk-warns-citizens-against-taking-first-steps-towards-american-health-care-system/Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 October 5, 2013 Thats a joke, the government is doing everything it can to make a two tier system.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #3 October 5, 2013 SkyradThats a joke, the government is doing everything it can to make a two tier system. I remember getting a flight physical in the UK from a private MD, and I wondered how come he had patients when the government system was supposed to be so good.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #4 October 5, 2013 rickjump1***Thats a joke, the government is doing everything it can to make a two tier system. I remember getting a flight physical in the UK from a private MD, and I wondered how come he had patients when the government system was supposed to be so good. Same reason that there are people who go to Stanford when UCLA is perfectly good. In a free country people choose what to spend their money on. Some buy fancy cars, some send their kids to fancy universities, some buy private jets instead of going by AMTRAK...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #5 October 5, 2013 kallend******Thats a joke, the government is doing everything it can to make a two tier system. I remember getting a flight physical in the UK from a private MD, and I wondered how come he had patients when the government system was supposed to be so good. Same reason that there are people who go to Stanford when UCLA is perfectly good. In a free country people choose what to spend their money on. Some buy fancy cars, some send their kids to fancy universities, some buy private jets instead of going by AMTRAK... ....and some think it's unfair for these people in a "free" country to own fancy cars and private jets. They feel it's unfair because they can't own these things so they propose luxury taxes. It's called wealth envy.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #6 October 5, 2013 What John said is only part right.... PLUS... You get to skip the queue, esentially you get treated by the same doctor in the same hospital by the same staff with the same medication, prosthetics etc but you get to skip the queue which might be anywhere between weeks, months or in some cases for elective surgery years. (They have ways to screw the stats to make the waiting times look better than they are). Also you get a private ward and a room to yourself instead of taking your chances with a ward. So to recap: A) You get the same treatment from the same staff often in the same hospital which you would have been in if you went NHS. B) You get to skip the queue and (hopefully) get a Consultant instead of a Registrar. C) You get a private room. That is about it and also why people in the UK go Private.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #7 October 5, 2013 SkyradWhat John said is only part right.... PLUS... You get to skip the queue, esentially you get treated by the same doctor in the same hospital by the same staff with the same medication, prosthetics etc but you get to skip the queue which might be anywhere between weeks, months or in some cases for elective surgery years. (They have ways to screw the stats to make the waiting times look better than they are). Also you get a private ward and a room to yourself instead of taking your chances with a ward. So to recap: A) You get the same treatment from the same staff often in the same hospital which you would have been in if you went NHS. B) You get to skip the queue and (hopefully) get a Consultant instead of a Registrar. C) You get a private room. That is about it and also why people in the UK go Private. It's like the difference between first class and steerage passengers: ultimately, everyone gets to the same destination (unless the ship hits an iceberg).Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #8 October 5, 2013 rickjump1***What John said is only part right.... PLUS... You get to skip the queue, esentially you get treated by the same doctor in the same hospital by the same staff with the same medication, prosthetics etc but you get to skip the queue which might be anywhere between weeks, months or in some cases for elective surgery years. (They have ways to screw the stats to make the waiting times look better than they are). Also you get a private ward and a room to yourself instead of taking your chances with a ward. So to recap: A) You get the same treatment from the same staff often in the same hospital which you would have been in if you went NHS. B) You get to skip the queue and (hopefully) get a Consultant instead of a Registrar. C) You get a private room. That is about it and also why people in the UK go Private. It's like the difference between first class and steerage passengers: ultimately, everyone gets to the same destination (unless the ship hits an iceberg). People that can afford their own doctors are evil.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #9 October 5, 2013 turtlespeed******What John said is only part right.... PLUS... You get to skip the queue, esentially you get treated by the same doctor in the same hospital by the same staff with the same medication, prosthetics etc but you get to skip the queue which might be anywhere between weeks, months or in some cases for elective surgery years. (They have ways to screw the stats to make the waiting times look better than they are). Also you get a private ward and a room to yourself instead of taking your chances with a ward. So to recap: A) You get the same treatment from the same staff often in the same hospital which you would have been in if you went NHS. B) You get to skip the queue and (hopefully) get a Consultant instead of a Registrar. C) You get a private room. That is about it and also why people in the UK go Private. It's like the difference between first class and steerage passengers: ultimately, everyone gets to the same destination (unless the ship hits an iceberg). People that can afford their own doctors are evil. That sounds like something out of Mao's Little Red Book or maybe.......Democrat Party Notebook For Total Transformation?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #10 October 5, 2013 rickjump1*********What John said is only part right.... PLUS... You get to skip the queue, esentially you get treated by the same doctor in the same hospital by the same staff with the same medication, prosthetics etc but you get to skip the queue which might be anywhere between weeks, months or in some cases for elective surgery years. (They have ways to screw the stats to make the waiting times look better than they are). Also you get a private ward and a room to yourself instead of taking your chances with a ward. So to recap: A) You get the same treatment from the same staff often in the same hospital which you would have been in if you went NHS. B) You get to skip the queue and (hopefully) get a Consultant instead of a Registrar. C) You get a private room. That is about it and also why people in the UK go Private. It's like the difference between first class and steerage passengers: ultimately, everyone gets to the same destination (unless the ship hits an iceberg). People that can afford their own doctors are evil. That sounds like something out of Mao's Little Red Book or maybe.......Democrat Party Notebook For Total Transformation? ForwardI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 October 5, 2013 rickjump1***What John said is only part right.... PLUS... You get to skip the queue, esentially you get treated by the same doctor in the same hospital by the same staff with the same medication, prosthetics etc but you get to skip the queue which might be anywhere between weeks, months or in some cases for elective surgery years. (They have ways to screw the stats to make the waiting times look better than they are). Also you get a private ward and a room to yourself instead of taking your chances with a ward. So to recap: A) You get the same treatment from the same staff often in the same hospital which you would have been in if you went NHS. B) You get to skip the queue and (hopefully) get a Consultant instead of a Registrar. C) You get a private room. That is about it and also why people in the UK go Private. It's like the difference between first class and steerage passengers: ultimately, everyone gets to the same destination (unless the ship hits an iceberg). yepWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #12 October 5, 2013 rickjump1*********Thats a joke, the government is doing everything it can to make a two tier system. I remember getting a flight physical in the UK from a private MD, and I wondered how come he had patients when the government system was supposed to be so good. Same reason that there are people who go to Stanford when UCLA is perfectly good. In a free country people choose what to spend their money on. Some buy fancy cars, some send their kids to fancy universities, some buy private jets instead of going by AMTRAK... ....and some think it's unfair for these people in a "free" country to own fancy cars and private jets. They feel it's unfair because they can't own these things so they propose luxury taxes. It's called wealth envy. In a free country people are allowed to "feel" whatever they like. If you don't like it, you can always move to North Korea.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #13 October 5, 2013 kallend************Thats a joke, the government is doing everything it can to make a two tier system. I remember getting a flight physical in the UK from a private MD, and I wondered how come he had patients when the government system was supposed to be so good. Same reason that there are people who go to Stanford when UCLA is perfectly good. In a free country people choose what to spend their money on. Some buy fancy cars, some send their kids to fancy universities, some buy private jets instead of going by AMTRAK... ....and some think it's unfair for these people in a "free" country to own fancy cars and private jets. They feel it's unfair because they can't own these things so they propose luxury taxes. It's called wealth envy. In a free country people are allowed to "feel" whatever they like. If you don't like it, you can always move to North Korea. People get nervous when "others" have these "feelings" about other people's wealth. Apparently, you missed American History 101, or how we snubbed King George III over his "feelings" about other people's wealth.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #14 October 6, 2013 In a free country people are allowed to "feel" whatever they like. If you don't like living in a free country you can always move to North Korea.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arvoitus 1 #15 October 6, 2013 kallendIn a free country people are allowed to "feel" whatever they like. If you don't like living in a free country you can always move to North Korea. But things get fucked when these people start pushing through legislation based on their feelings. Kind of like when religious people start demanding laws based on what their imaginary sky friend told them. But I guess that is what democracy ultimately is about. Its not about what is right, correct or just. Its about what the majority wants.Your rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #16 October 7, 2013 Arvoitus***In a free country people are allowed to "feel" whatever they like. If you don't like living in a free country you can always move to North Korea. But things get fucked when these people start pushing through legislation based on their feelings. Kind of like when religious people start demanding laws based on what their imaginary sky friend told them. But I guess that is what democracy ultimately is about. Its not about what is right, correct or just. Its about what the majority wants. . . . and it only lasts as long as they don't start voting to give them selves what is in the coffers.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
babz 0 #17 October 7, 2013 Personally I like the NHS on the whole but to be honest I've not really had an emergency situation or requiring more than a dose of antibiotics for a few years. However, I have private cover through work (for a small fee ~$30 / £20 a month) in case something goes wrong and I get broken that requires a long fix. In a lot of cases you hear of people getting worse whilst waiting for their turn. I could wait, and take longer to get fixed on NHS or get a referral to a private hospital / doc. I can afford the fee, and my time and health is worth that 1 jump ticket a month I pay. The NHS is great, especially for those who don't have the income that allows them to do this. For general GP issues which can wait a few days I'll go see my GP (NHS) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 October 7, 2013 turtlespeed*** But things get fucked when these people start pushing through legislation based on their feelings. Kind of like when religious people start demanding laws based on what their imaginary sky friend told them. . . . and it only lasts as long as they don't start voting to give them selves what is in the coffers. and, we've just defined both parties in the US - no logic, an excess of feelings and envy, zero sense of financial responsibility and what they think is a blank check yay - and someone is cheeky enough to consider this the opposite of North Korea? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #19 October 7, 2013 babzPersonally I like the NHS on the whole but to be honest I've not really had an emergency situation or requiring more than a dose of antibiotics for a few years. However, I have private cover through work (for a small fee ~$30 / £20 a month) in case something goes wrong and I get broken that requires a long fix. In a lot of cases you hear of people getting worse whilst waiting for their turn. I could wait, and take longer to get fixed on NHS or get a referral to a private hospital / doc. I can afford the fee, and my time and health is worth that 1 jump ticket a month I pay. The NHS is great, especially for those who don't have the income that allows them to do this. For general GP issues which can wait a few days I'll go see my GP (NHS) One of the problems we have in this country is that anyone, and this includes illegal aliens, can walk into an emergency room and receive free healthcare. Some come with real emergencies; some tie up an emergency room for a common cold. In states just north of the Mexican Border, it can be overwhelming. When I check into a hospital or emergency room with all the right cards and a checkbook, I get the feeling this is now a financial wolf/sheep thing, and I'm the sheep.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites