"Prayer" vs medicine

[billvon 2,989]

> I did not judge the child. Think in the macro sense. Sin entered the world through
>Adam. Sin brings disease and all the bad things of life.

Yes, I assumed that you'd go the "it's original sin; it's not me saying bad things about them" which is why you weren't banned for it.

But to be clear - do NOT, in the future, go after other people's families (especially kids with cancer) to make your points, even if you feel you have a religious excuse.

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RonD1120

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I think you will find a way to wiesel God out of this by theological apologism or some other semantic trick. Looking forward to that.

Not worth my time and energy.

In other words, when called out to explain your weaseling, you can't.

My favorite quote from Cheech and Chong dates back quite a ways, but it is timeless.

"I used to be all messed up on drugs, now I am all messed up on the Lord."

[RonD1120 62]

billvon

> I did not judge the child. Think in the macro sense. Sin entered the world through
>Adam. Sin brings disease and all the bad things of life.

Yes, I assumed that you'd go the "it's original sin; it's not me saying bad things about them" which is why you weren't banned for it.

But to be clear - do NOT, in the future, go after other people's families (especially kids with cancer) to make your points, even if you feel you have a religious excuse.

Bill I get your point. Again, I was responding to the OP regarding prayer, not the child.

To you and him, I apologize.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[sfzombie13 324]

you have some of it right, the main thing you have wrong is that there is no room for dissent. when you truly believe something, the energy which can be directed is amazing. supplication makes you not care about the sacrifice, what better way to recruit an army if needed than this? the main difference between eastern and western thought is the tolerance of other philosophies.

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[CornishChris 5]

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Sin entered the world through Adam.

Can I try and be clear. Adam did not exist. 'He' is an entirely made up construct designed to continue bolster the incoherent teachings of countless prophets. These people have asked the question 'why do I exist', the very question that makes us Sapiens and not being able to come up with an answer they have invented one.

There was no Adam. There was no original sin. You are, quite simply, delusional. I pity you.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[RonD1120 62]

sfzombie13

you have some of it right, the main thing you have wrong is that there is no room for dissent. when you truly believe something, the energy which can be directed is amazing. supplication makes you not care about the sacrifice, what better way to recruit an army if needed than this? the main difference between eastern and western thought is the tolerance of other philosophies.

I believe you have a valid point.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

CornishChris

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Sin entered the world through Adam.

Can I try and be clear. Adam did not exist. 'He' is an entirely made up construct designed to continue bolster the incoherent teachings of countless prophets. These people have asked the question 'why do I exist', the very question that makes us Sapiens and not being able to come up with an answer they have invented one.

There was no Adam. There was no original sin. You are, quite simply, delusional. I pity you.

Due to billvon's reaction, I am not make further posts in this thread.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[billvon 2,989]

>You are, quite simply, delusional.

Enough with the attacks on Ron. Yes, he said something offensive; that doesn't give other people the right to be offensive back.

[Andy9o8 2]

Biblical scholar that he is, Ron is doubtlessly familiar with Leviticus Chapter 24.

Or, one might derive guidance from the Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution.

Either way, it pretty much works out the same.

[gunpaq 1]

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Disease is a product of sin.

Is it fuck

The statement that disease is a product of sin is correct but one has to understand that this statement in context withing the Christian faith refers to the original sin of Adam in the beginning of time and not the person who is afflicted by the disease. Disease is a respector of no persons and afflicts saints and sinners alike. And by the way we are all sinners regardless if we are Sunday school teacher or crimninal.

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gunpaq

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Disease is a product of sin.

Is it fuck

The statement that disease is a product of sin is correct but one has to understand that this statement in context withing the Christian faith refers to the original sin of Adam in the beginning of time and not the person who is afflicted by the disease. Disease is a respector of no persons and afflicts saints and sinners alike. And by the way we are all sinners regardless if we are Sunday school teacher or crimninal.

I do not believe that it is correct in the REAL World only a mythical one.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[RonD1120 62]

gunpaq

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Disease is a product of sin.

Is it fuck

The statement that disease is a product of sin is correct but one has to understand that this statement in context withing the Christian faith refers to the original sin of Adam in the beginning of time and not the person who is afflicted by the disease. Disease is a respector of no persons and afflicts saints and sinners alike. And by the way we are all sinners regardless if we are Sunday school teacher or crimninal.

Thank you. It is comforting to see that someone gets it.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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shropshire

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Disease is a product of sin.

Is it fuck

True for STDs

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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kallend

***First I hope the lad continues on the path to full recovery.

In the Christian world of faith we pray for favor through Jesus Christ. It is a crutch because we need to have a crutch when nothing else is going to give us peace. It is what we do when there is nothing else we can do.

God does not give disease He allows it. The Bible states that every good and perfect thing comes from God. All the bad and evil comes from Satan. The book of Job is usually the reference to this understanding.

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Disease is a product of sin.

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The Bible instructs that death is certain once. How we die is of no consequence in the over all plan. It is only important to the individual. Where we go after death is the most important consequence of human life.

I believe there is such a thing as EVIL, and I have just read it here.

Thats a bit harsh John. I remember a child with serious life limiting conditions in a hospital who was very religious, when asked how can you believe in a God who would do this to you? He replied, 'he has all eternity to make it up to me'.

For people who don't believe in a after life and who believe that there is nothing after death, then it can only be judged in the harsh light of this life. But to those who sincerely believe that death is not the end the perspective is entirely different.
Incidentally studies have shown that patients with cancer who believe live longer than those who don't (although there is no difference in survival rates), hope is an amazing thing.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[sfzombie13 324]

yes it is. it opens doors that we can use to focus our own powers. the power is inside us and is drawn from the universe. you can use it with training on your own, at a dojo in martial arts training, or in church with a bunch of fellow believers. the channel doesn't matter and it can be called anything. the fact remains that it works.

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[Stumpy 284]

gunpaq

The statement that disease is a product of sin is correct.

No it isn't.

HTH

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[gunpaq 1]

Stumpy

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The statement that disease is a product of sin is correct.

No it isn't.

HTH

Stumpy, what I wrote on the post was the following:

“The statement that disease is a product of sin is correct but one has to understand that this statement in context within the Christian faith refers to the original sin of Adam in the beginning of time and not the person who is afflicted by the disease.”

Please when quoting someone use the complete statement or phrase that they have made.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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Please when quoting someone use the complete statement or phrase that they have made.

Kinda new around here, aren't you?

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gunpaq

“The statement that disease is a product of sin is correct but one has to understand that this statement in context within the Christian faith refers to the original sin of Adam in the beginning of time and not the person who is afflicted by the disease.”

Please when quoting someone use the complete statement or phrase that they have made.

Okay. No. It isn't.

Better?

Sin has zero to do with disease. ZERO. Regardless of what somebody may believe, it simply doesn't change the fact any more than believing Zeus causes lightning.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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quade

***“The statement that disease is a product of sin is correct but one has to understand that this statement in context within the Christian faith refers to the original sin of Adam in the beginning of time and not the person who is afflicted by the disease.”

Please when quoting someone use the complete statement or phrase that they have made.

Okay. No. It isn't.

Better?

Sin has zero to do with disease. ZERO. Regardless of what somebody may believe, it simply doesn't change the fact any more than believing Zeus causes lightning.

Sin causes guilt, guilt causes stress, stress causes your body's resistance to illness to be lowered.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/249215.php

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Gravitymaster

Sin causes guilt, guilt causes stress, stress causes your body's resistance to illness to be lowered.

And obviously horse shit causes flies.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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quade

***Sin causes guilt, guilt causes stress, stress causes your body's resistance to illness to be lowered.

And obviously horse shit causes flies.

Is that really the best you can come up with? I figured you would at least wriggle around a little.