What jobs will employ the masses?

[rushmc 23]

Working for ACORN

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

quade

***... Marxists such as yourself.

Bite me. Seriously.

NOT EVEN WITH kallends TEETH!!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

******... Marxists such as yourself.

Bite me. Seriously.

NOT EVEN WITH kallends TEETH!!!!

Use Jimmy Carters

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,447]

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Of course some people will always fall through the cracks. Some people will either be physically or mentally disabled and for these people, we do need some sort of safety net. But not the masses.

With fewer low-level jobs, 50% of the people (those with below-average intelligence) will be competing for an ever-smaller pool of work.

Saying that they're just going to have to get smarter and become better parents is kind of like saying that you don't have a homeless problem in the winter, because they all froze to death or moved away.

Neither the US nor Canada will be able to simply export all of their people who don't conform to this.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

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Of course some people will always fall through the cracks. Some people will either be physically or mentally disabled and for these people, we do need some sort of safety net. But not the masses.

With fewer low-level jobs, 50% of the people (those with below-average intelligence) will be competing for an ever-smaller pool of work.

Saying that they're just going to have to get smarter and become better parents is kind of like saying that you don't have a homeless problem in the winter, because they all froze to death or moved away.

Neither the US nor Canada will be able to simply export all of their people who don't conform to this.

Wendy P.

Cool
So it makes sense then to make 14 m more citizents huh

Know this
The reason that the majority of manufacturing jobs are no longer in the US is because of the Feg gov and its regulation writing berucrats who do not answer to anyone

And yes, it DOES piss me off

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,447]

I'm not saying I like it.

What's causing the offshoring of our work is the fact that the US standard of living is so high. You want cheap work, go back to when middle class meant things like:

your kids had 3 sets of clothing -- school, church, and play, and 2 pairs of shoes

no one had a TV, and they went to the neighbor to listen to the radio or use the phone

kids shared the bed, not just the bedroom

there wasn't much in the way of prepackaged food (or the advertising that sells it)

there wasn't much in the way of medicine other than aspirin for pain and butter for burns (or the advertising that sells it)

nearly everyone took the bus or trolley because few had cars

no A/C, often no central heat

Life was cheaper then, and it cost less for average workers to support that lifestyle.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

I'm not saying I like it.

What's causing the offshoring of our work is the fact that the US standard of living is so high. You want cheap work, go back to when middle class meant things like:

your kids had 3 sets of clothing -- school, church, and play, and 2 pairs of shoes

no one had a TV, and they went to the neighbor to listen to the radio or use the phone

kids shared the bed, not just the bedroom

there wasn't much in the way of prepackaged food (or the advertising that sells it)

there wasn't much in the way of medicine other than aspirin for pain and butter for burns (or the advertising that sells it)

nearly everyone took the bus or trolley because few had cars

no A/C, often no central heat

Life was cheaper then, and it cost less for average workers to support that lifestyle.

Wendy P.

I dont buy it
Regulations have caused more issues for business than anything else
Period

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,447]

You got any particular ones in mind? Or should we just get rid of all of them and see what happens?

If you do have particular ones in mind, why not turn that into a project, and figure out how to get those overturned, by either showing how their goal is achieved otherwise, or showing that their goal isn't worthwhile?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

You got any particular ones in mind? Or should we just get rid of all of them and see what happens?

If you do have particular ones in mind, why not turn that into a project, and figure out how to get those overturned, by either showing how their goal is achieved otherwise, or showing that their goal isn't worthwhile?

Wendy P.

Just all those written by the un-elected

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,447]

In other words, no, you're just listening to what people say.

You're a BB; you can take some target regulations and figure out whether they are still necessary. You work in energy generation. I assume that your company would voluntarily do whatever it takes to keep the water and air clean -- are you aware of other companies that wouldn't, and what would be the best thing to do to avoid irreparable harm?

I once heard a strong libertarian candidate for the city of Houston environmental officer. His take was that the job was irrelevant, because anyone damaged by any environmental issues in our ship channel or industrial complex had the right to sue the perpetrators.

Of course, the perpetrators would never have better lawyers and deeper pockets than people damaged, would they

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

I'm not saying I like it.

What's causing the offshoring of our work is the fact that the US standard of living is so high.

No. We have offshoring because the _cost_ of living is so high. As long as they don't insist on luxury items like BMWs people can live as well for much less where $1500 rents a mansion with live-in servants to cook and clean than where $3000 gets a 2-bedroom apartment.

The cost of living for the middle class is high largely because of corporatist governments which actively work to increase private company profits and therefore consumer prices on essential goods (housing, health care, education, food).

Being poor elsewhere is worse with no running water, no windows with glass, etc. as opposed to relatively nice places with cable TV although those people are being replaced by robots (Foxconn planned to get a million running by 2014) and doomed anyway.

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Life was cheaper then, and it cost less for average workers to support that lifestyle.
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The same homes doubling in real price although the long term average is flat, education price increases quadrupling inflation since 1980, and health care going up 14% a year for the last decade have nothing to do with how many bedrooms we have and putting $500 big-screen TVs in each one.

[wmw999 2,447]

I probably wasn't clear in my point; what is considered an average standard of living has risen significantly in the last 50-80 years. And that rise isn't cost-free.

It's not just the corporatist government, it's the profit-seeking corporations, and their marketing arms that make all that stuff so desirable. All of them. It reflects well on the government to say that the standard of living has risen, and it reflects well on companies' profit margins to sell all that stuff and advertising.

Yes, the same homes's prices are flat (in many markets). But what was a middle-class home 50-70 years ago is now considered to be a small starter home, or else it's been torn down for a mcmansion (I attached a graphic from an article I read awhile ago.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

I probably wasn't clear in my point; what is considered an average standard of living has risen significantly in the last 50-80 years. And that rise isn't cost-free.

It's not just the corporatist government, it's the profit-seeking corporations, and their marketing arms that make all that stuff so desirable. All of them. It reflects well on the government to say that the standard of living has risen, and it reflects well on companies' profit margins to sell all that stuff and advertising.

Yes, the same homes's prices are flat (in many markets). But what was a middle-class home 50-70 years ago is now considered to be a small starter home, or else it's been torn down for a mcmansion (I attached a graphic from an article I read awhile ago.

Wendy P.

Actually Wendy, the standard of living was rising
Government is stopping that by killing small business with regulation.

the country has not done well under either of the last two admins

http://thehill.com/blogs/regwatch/administration/299617-government-report-shows-spike-in-regulations-under-obama

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/who-issued-more-regulations--obama-or-bush/2012/03/22/gIQAVvGYWS_blog.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

turtlespeed

Maybe the masses should learn web page development.

That was the late 90s...that ship has largely sailed.

But yes, people who aren't willing or able to adapt to changing times are going to suffer in the 21st Century. It's less and less likely that you will be able to perform the same job function for your entire life.

[wmw999 2,447]

Yes, but that rising standard of living costs money. And that money has to come from wages -- those wages that we pay people who then want that higher standard of living. Preferably as inexpensively as possible.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

Yes, but that rising standard of living costs money. And that money has to come from wages -- those wages that we pay people who then want that higher standard of living. Preferably as inexpensively as possible.

Wendy P.

Higher wages can be afforded if other costs are not added

Seems you do not want others to raise their living standards
This or a growing government is more important to you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,447]

You're all over the "added costs of all those regulations." Which ones? Can you put together a pareto chart of the ones with the most impact?

If you want to change things, you have to identify specific changes to start with, not just wholesale "change it."

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

You're all over the "added costs of all those regulations." Which ones? Can you put together a pareto chart of the ones with the most impact?

If you want to change things, you have to identify specific changes to start with, not just wholesale "change it."

Wendy P.

OSHA,EPA, are just two that come to mind who have the ability to write regs on their own

And of course , the claims that I wish for unsafe work areas and poluted air and water will now come

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 220]

rushmc

***You're all over the "added costs of all those regulations." Which ones? Can you put together a pareto chart of the ones with the most impact?

If you want to change things, you have to identify specific changes to start with, not just wholesale "change it."

Wendy P.

OSHA,EPA, are just two that come to mind who have the ability to write regs on their own

And of course , the claims that I wish for unsafe work areas and poluted air and water will now come

You want death for everyone - why do you hate humanity so much?

Why do you hate the planet?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,447]

I'm not talking about agencies, I'm talking about regulations. You're not going to eliminate a whole agency, but it shouldn't be that hard to target individual regulations. And each one gone means less paperwork, along with less enforcement.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

I'm not talking about agencies, I'm talking about regulations. You're not going to eliminate a whole agency, but it shouldn't be that hard to target individual regulations. And each one gone means less paperwork, along with less enforcement.

Wendy P.

These "agencies" write the regulations and do not answer to anyone

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Quote

What jobs will employ the masses?

Government entitlements.

it will be the new profession.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,447]

So in other words you can't think of any specific regulations that you don't like, it's just the fact that someone is writing them.

Do you want senators and congresscritters to write them? Do you really think that would be better?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

turtlespeed

******You're all over the "added costs of all those regulations." Which ones? Can you put together a pareto chart of the ones with the most impact?

If you want to change things, you have to identify specific changes to start with, not just wholesale "change it."

Wendy P.

OSHA,EPA, are just two that come to mind who have the ability to write regs on their own

And of course , the claims that I wish for unsafe work areas and poluted air and water will now come

You want death for everyone - why do you hate humanity so much?

Why do you hate the planet?

thanks
got this out of the way early!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Quote

Do you want senators and congresscritters to write them? Do you really think that would be better?

Wendy P.

Yes, because then THEY could be held accountable
which is exactly why they give this power to those agencies
They get off the hook

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln