turtlespeed 221 #1 October 23, 2013 This is really effed up! What a conspiracy?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #2 October 23, 2013 I think the first comment sums it up quite nicely: Quote)The young man's body was not "found dead in a gym mat, missing organs". He was found dead, wrapped in a gym mat, which sounds inconsistent with an accidental cause, but not suggestive of a ghoulish crime. 2) He had an autopsy in which the internal organs were removed and unprofessionally replaced with crumpled newspaper. Again, regretable, perhaps insulting, but the whole or partial organ removal for later analysis is commonly part of the autopsy procedure These are separate events and the clumsy handling of the autopsy does not have anything to do with the manner and circumstances surrounding the death any more than the ridiculous headline does. Perhaps when an actual journalist writes this story, we will learn more about the facts that led to the coronor's 'accidental death' ruling of a body (possibly) found in a gym mat.. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #3 October 23, 2013 DiverMikeI think the first comment sums it up quite nicely: Quote)The young man's body was not "found dead in a gym mat, missing organs". He was found dead, wrapped in a gym mat, which sounds inconsistent with an accidental cause, but not suggestive of a ghoulish crime. 2) He had an autopsy in which the internal organs were removed and unprofessionally replaced with crumpled newspaper. Again, regretable, perhaps insulting, but the whole or partial organ removal for later analysis is commonly part of the autopsy procedure These are separate events and the clumsy handling of the autopsy does not have anything to do with the manner and circumstances surrounding the death any more than the ridiculous headline does. Perhaps when an actual journalist writes this story, we will learn more about the facts that led to the coronor's 'accidental death' ruling of a body (possibly) found in a gym mat.. Sounds fishy to me. I never implied anything regarding found in a gym mat sans organs.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #4 October 23, 2013 What sounds fishy? "Lowndes County sheriff’s investigators believe that Kendrick Johnson, 17, fell headfirst into an upright mat and became trapped." That sounds suspicious to you just on its merits? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #5 October 23, 2013 BignuggetWhat sounds fishy? "Lowndes County sheriff’s investigators believe that Kendrick Johnson, 17, fell headfirst into an upright mat and became trapped." That sounds suspicious to you just on its merits? I find it difficult to see HOW that happened. I find it interesting that organs were replaced with newspaper . . . how much did they get selling them?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #6 October 23, 2013 What sounds fishy? Stuffing newspaper in the body cavity so the corpse looks more lifelike? For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #7 October 23, 2013 QuoteI find it interesting that organs were replaced with newspaper . . . how much did they get selling them? By the time the coroner's office finished with the organs, they weren't worth anything. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #8 October 23, 2013 sorry - our posts crossed in cyberspace. I don't know the exact percentage (nor do I really want to), but it is not unusual for the organs to not be entirely replaced in the body after autopsy. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #9 October 23, 2013 turtlespeed***What sounds fishy? "Lowndes County sheriff’s investigators believe that Kendrick Johnson, 17, fell headfirst into an upright mat and became trapped." That sounds suspicious to you just on its merits? I find it difficult to see HOW that happened. I find it interesting that organs were replaced with newspaper . . . how much did they get selling them? Ummm...unless I am completely off base....they take the organs during the autopsy to test them for various chemicals, toxins, etc. In hopes of determining cause of death..... Not unusual practice...admittedly I am not a medical examiner. EtA: I find it odd that the kid just slipped in the mat and suffocated as well. But there is video coverage of the gym, and surrounding areas, and the cops saw the video and said they didn't suspect foul play. I have been reading this story for awhile now but it has always seemed like just some pissed off, sad parents who want someone to blame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #10 October 23, 2013 wmw999 Quote I find it interesting that organs were replaced with newspaper . . . how much did they get selling them? By the time the coroner's office finished with the organs, they weren't worth anything. Wendy P. So you saw them?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #11 October 23, 2013 DiverMikesorry - our posts crossed in cyberspace. I don't know the exact percentage (nor do I really want to), but it is not unusual for the organs to not be entirely replaced in the body after autopsy. QuoteAfter an autopsy, pathologists usually put the major organs into plastic bags and store them in body cavities unless they have written permission to keep them. Medical examiners must keep any organs or tissues needed for evidence in a legal case. Medical devices, such as pacemakers, are discarded. They routinely keep small pieces of organs (about the size of a crouton) for subsequent microscopic and chemical analysis. National standards require that "wet tissue" from autopsies be held for six months after issuing a final autopsy report, tissue in paraffin blocks (from which microscope slides are made) must be kept for five years, and the slides themselves along with the autopsy reports must be retained for twenty years. Read more: http://www.deathreference.com/A-Bi/Autopsy.html#ixzz2iZf1eI00 This is why I ask.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #12 October 23, 2013 You answered your own question: Quotepathologists usually put the major organs into plastic bags and store them in body cavities If you could quote a source that says they are required to always put the major organs back, you might have a conspiracy. Or maybe dig up 1000 corpses and determine which percentage have their organs stored in the body cavity. Anybody an ME out there? I just don't see a huge conspiracy. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #13 October 23, 2013 DiverMikeYou answered your own question: Quotepathologists usually put the major organs into plastic bags and store them in body cavities If you could quote a source that says they are required to always put the major organs back, you might have a conspiracy. Or maybe dig up 1000 corpses and determine which percentage have their organs stored in the body cavity. Anybody an ME out there? I just don't see a huge conspiracy. You would think there would be some paperwork, no?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #14 October 23, 2013 DiverMikeYou answered your own question: Quotepathologists usually put the major organs into plastic bags and store them in body cavities If you could quote a source that says they are required to always put the major organs back, you might have a conspiracy. Or maybe dig up 1000 corpses and determine which percentage have their organs stored in the body cavity. Anybody an ME out there? I just don't see a huge conspiracy. Then there is THIS. QuoteGBI spokeswoman Sherry Lang told CNN that after the autopsy, "the organs were placed in Johnson's body, the body was closed, then the body was released to the funeral home." That's normal practice, Lang said. And in regards to the "accident" QuoteAnderson, who was hired by the Johnson family for a second autopsy, found Kendrick Johnson had sustained a blow to the right side of his neck that was "consistent with inflicted injury." Challenging the state autopsy's finding of positional asphyxiation, he concluded the teen died as the result of "unexplained, apparent non-accidental, blunt force trauma."I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #15 October 23, 2013 You're an amphibian; everything is fishy to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #16 October 23, 2013 Andy9o8 You're an amphibian; everything is fishy to you. Says the shark.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #17 October 23, 2013 man i read this a while ago this is the case that keeps coming back up. No one has an answer, but its creepy as fuckI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #18 October 23, 2013 Darius11 man i read this a while ago this is the case that keeps coming back up. No one has an answer, but its creepy as fuck Yeah - fishy too.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #19 October 23, 2013 Was there an empty bottle of Chianti nearby? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #20 October 23, 2013 shropshire Was there an empty bottle of Chianti nearby? Not that is just sick!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #21 October 23, 2013 shropshire Was there an empty bottle of Chianti nearby? No. But I think they found a fava bean shell somewhere close.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #22 October 23, 2013 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #23 October 23, 2013 turtlespeed ***Was there an empty bottle of Chianti nearby? No. But I think they found a fava bean shell somewhere close.I hear his best friend recently had him for dinner. He would have eaten more, but he was stuffed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #24 October 23, 2013 Andy9o8 ******Was there an empty bottle of Chianti nearby? No. But I think they found a fava bean shell somewhere close.I hear his best friend recently had him for dinner. He would have eaten more, but he was stuffed. One could have read all about it , but someone bought up all the papers.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #25 October 23, 2013 turtlespeed *********Was there an empty bottle of Chianti nearby? No. But I think they found a fava bean shell somewhere close.I hear his best friend recently had him for dinner. He would have eaten more, but he was stuffed. One could have read all about it , but someone bought up all the papers.These joke are offal... they kidney get any worse (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
