lawrocket 3 #1 November 24, 2013 I cannot help but think that this nuclear deal will be about as effective as Clinton's deal with North Korea. Then again, Clinton didn't have Stuxnet or other nasty bugs as leverage... Anyone else think that this will work? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #2 November 24, 2013 I'm torn between: a) The Israelis are bitching about it, so it must be a good idea.b) (Conspiracy theory) The Israelis secretly like it, and are bitching about it just so the old Mullahs will approve it, (thinking Israel opposes it). "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #3 November 24, 2013 lawrocketI cannot help but think that this nuclear deal will be about as effective as Clinton's deal with North Korea. Then again, Clinton didn't have Stuxnet or other nasty bugs as leverage... Anyone else think that this will work? As an ardent supporter of modern nuclear power, I always thought it's ridiculous that anyone would expect someone to develop nuclear power plants but demand they not do fuel enrichment/reprocessing themselves. Just because we (the US) are fucking idiots and run our shit incorrectly doesn't mean everyone else should have to. Hopefully Iran uses this opportunity to set up a nice stable environment with clean power output and efficient fuel recycling and reuse. Hopefully Israel calm their collective tits and quit sword rattling like children.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #4 November 25, 2013 They'll pick it right back up in 6 months just where they left off, but 6 billion dollars better off. Bet ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #5 November 25, 2013 grue Hopefully Iran uses this opportunity to set up a nice stable environment with clean power output and efficient fuel recycling and reuse. Right around the time you complete your purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 November 25, 2013 BTW - thanks for starting an thread while expressing an actual opinion. I come on at the close of the weekend and all I see are post to URLs and no actual contribution. (yes, this is a hint to the slackers - grow a pair) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #7 November 25, 2013 kelpdiver*** Hopefully Iran uses this opportunity to set up a nice stable environment with clean power output and efficient fuel recycling and reuse. Right around the time you complete your purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge. Well, here's the list of conflicts in last 100 years where Iran was the aggressor: cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 November 25, 2013 grue****** Hopefully Iran uses this opportunity to set up a nice stable environment with clean power output and efficient fuel recycling and reuse. Right around the time you complete your purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge. Well, here's the list of conflicts in last 100 years where Iran was the aggressor: Seriously? Do you not have the remotest idea of the link between Iran and international terrorism/middle east conflict over the past 30 years? Have you never heard of Hezbollah? Go online, hit the books, whatever, but educate yourself on the subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 November 25, 2013 lawrocketI cannot help but think that this nuclear deal will be about as effective as Clinton's deal with North Korea. No, no, you mean the deal that punished Assad for nerve-gassing his own people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #10 November 25, 2013 Andy9o8********* Hopefully Iran uses this opportunity to set up a nice stable environment with clean power output and efficient fuel recycling and reuse. Right around the time you complete your purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge. Well, here's the list of conflicts in last 100 years where Iran was the aggressor: Seriously? Do you not have the remotest idea of the link between Iran and international terrorism/middle east conflict over the past 30 years? Have you never heard of Hezbollah? Go online, hit the books, whatever, but educate yourself on the subject. It's pretty similar to the link between the US and various other factions in the area, except that the US also has the temerity to go in and fuck things up under her own flag as well. There are no good guys in that region, only varying degrees of assholes. The assholes in Iran seem less dangerous than the assholes in Israel, Saudi, or most of the other countries, though.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #11 November 25, 2013 Sigh. Silly on multiple levels. I say again: bone up on the subject. Speak from facts, not your gut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #12 November 25, 2013 Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest Iran power their country and defend themselves against the ever-present threat of Israeli and American aggression?cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #13 November 25, 2013 grueJust out of curiosity, how would you suggest Iran power their country and defend themselves against the ever-present threat of Israeli and American aggression? (1) As to power, they can stop state-sponsoring terrorism, and then maybe they can be trusted to not develop nukes for OFFENSIVE purposes, or (almost as bad) to shield themselves from other states containing their state-sponsored terrorism and wholesale destruction of other countries, like Lebanon. Until then, they can go fuck themselves. (2) As to your second premise, the foundation is fallacious, and based on mainly on your gut, punctuated by facts more twisted and spun-up than the lines on a badly-deployed Stiletto. Sure, I could explain at length, but the burden is not on me to educate you in detail; it's on you to hit the (e-)books and do the serious research yourself. I have a cold; I'm going to bed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #14 November 25, 2013 Andy9o8 (1) As to power, they can stop state-sponsoring terrorism, Devil's advocate: We haven't stopped, why should they?cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #15 November 25, 2013 grue*** (1) As to power, they can stop state-sponsoring terrorism, Devil's advocate: We haven't stopped, why should they? Who is "we"? Doesn't look by your avatar that you ar a US Citizen.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #16 November 25, 2013 turtlespeed****** (1) As to power, they can stop state-sponsoring terrorism, Devil's advocate: We haven't stopped, why should they? Who is "we"? Doesn't look by your avatar that you ar a US Citizen. I indeed am, just currently overseas.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #17 November 25, 2013 Masterful play on Iran's part. Iran goes into negotiations with an embattled US political party. Kerry needs something he can claim as a 'win'. What he gets is exactly what the Iranians offered two years ago. Iran - promises to let inspectors see stuff. History tells us the inspectors will get to see exactly what Iran wants them to see. (ephemeral) IC - gives sanctions relief for six months. (concrete) In six months, Iran can claim they were completely transparent; the sanctions were always illegal; sanctions should be completely repealed. Please bookmark this post and check it in six months. I'm not always right, but these guys are pretty predictable from where I sit.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divertech 0 #18 November 25, 2013 Andy9o8***Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest Iran power their country and defend themselves against the ever-present threat of Israeli and American aggression? (1) As to power, they can stop state-sponsoring terrorism, and then maybe they can be trusted to not develop nukes for OFFENSIVE purposes, or (almost as bad) to shield themselves from other states containing their state-sponsored terrorism and wholesale destruction of other countries, like Lebanon. Until then, they can go fuck themselves. (2) As to your second premise, the foundation is fallacious, and based on mainly on your gut, punctuated by facts more twisted and spun-up than the lines on a badly-deployed Stiletto. Sure, I could explain at length, but the burden is not on me to educate you in detail; it's on you to hit the (e-)books and do the serious research yourself. I have a cold; I'm going to bed. I agree with Grue - fact is only one country has used nuclear bombs, the other uses of nuclear is clean and re-usable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #19 November 25, 2013 And it's as overly-simplistic and emotional an answer as Grue's is. Easily rebutted by the average high school student. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #20 November 25, 2013 Andy9o8Sigh. Silly on multiple levels. I say again: bone up on the subject. Speak from facts, not your gut. Your statement is a joke, He makes valid points which you have nothing to say about. The US supported OBL, and Saddam, case closed buddy stop thinking so emotionally not good for a lawyer to lose sight of the facts. How many wars has Iran been in in the last 100 years? ONE How many did it Start? NONE.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #21 November 25, 2013 Andy9o8 And it's as overly-simplistic and emotional an answer as Grue's is. Easily rebutted by the average high school student. Are you drunk when you were writing this? Your the one who seems to change your standards depending on who it relates to, that seems a lot more like play school to me. See if you can set even ONE standard based in logic which the US is not a greater violator of? Its like: the define what a terrorist is game i like to play with the brain washed we have here. Its funny watching them be unable to name one thing that the US hasn't done that the "Terrorists" have? Kill innocent people: check Use weapons of mass destruction: check Start false wars: Oh wait that's US only check Support terrorist organizations: check and double check oh wait triple check Support humane rights violators: check Your a lawyer, do you really see the world in your Black and white view where were the good guys in white and they are the bad guys in Black. Grow up buddy read something. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #22 November 25, 2013 I think it’s great, and hope for even better relations like we have had in the past, but on an even playing field. I still think Iran has the right to have a nuclear weapon. Nuclear weapon suck but I can’t logically how I can tell someone not to have what I have thousands of. Also disgusted with Israel and how they are always anti peace, but then again nothing new from them. I am happy that thanks to the internet more and more people have seen Israel’s true colors so less people listen to what they have to say. Who knows we might actually get somewhere if we stop listing to the constant nay sayers.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #23 November 25, 2013 Darius11 Who knows we might actually get somewhere if we stop listing to the constant nay sayers. Not!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #24 November 25, 2013 The purpose of this "Deal" is to blow all the news about Obamacare off the front page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #25 November 25, 2013 turtlespeed *** Who knows we might actually get somewhere if we stop listing to the constant nay sayers. Not! I am hoping that the US and Iran can be friends again. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
