Jesus was a white guy?

[winsor 236]

“If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it ought to be good enough for the children of Texas.” U.L. attributed to "Ma" Ferguson

The historical character upon whom the "Jesus" myth is based would bear scant resemblance to any of the versions touted by those claiming to be followers. Similarly, the Thomas Nast variation upon the "Santa Claus" theme has nothing to do with the Nicholas of Byzantium.

Not that it makes any difference. If her Jesus is Norwegian, it's as good as most any of the other Jesuses out there (kinda like Elvis in a sense).


BSBD,

Winsor

[normiss 806]

I had always thought some stoner came up with the easter bunny.



Dude brah. Next year, I'm hiding the eggs from you.

I'm coloring them first so I can find them man.

[Channman 2]

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/13/call-jesus-white-expect-a-fight/?hpt=hp_c2

"It seems that now, if you want to call Christ — or even Santa — white, you should expect a fierce fight."

"Taking the imagery seriously, the Shawnee warrior Tecumseh asked future President William Henry Harrison, “How can we have confidence in the white people? When Jesus Christ came upon the earth you kill’d and nail’d him on a cross.”

Even Martin Luther King Jr. claimed that Jesus was white, after being asked why God created Jesus as a white man.

King responded that the color of Christ’s skin didn’t matter. Jesus would have been just as important “if His skin had been black.” He “is no less significant because His skin was white.”

Famed evangelist Billy Graham preached in the 1950s, and then wrote emphatically in his autobiography "Just As I Am," that, “Jesus was not a white man.”

The phenotype of Jesus was never an issue in the Bible. Neither Matthew, nor Mark, nor Luke, nor John mentioned Christ’s skin tone or hair color. None called him white or black or red or brown.

Obsessions about race are obsessions of our age, not the biblical one. When asked what mattered most, Jesus did not say his skin tone or body shape. He instructed his followers to “love the Lord your God with all your heart” and to “do unto others as you would have done unto you.”

[shropshire 0]

That people spend so much time discussing and arguing over myths and legends is so funny.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Channman 2]

shropshire

That people spend so much time discussing and arguing over myths and legends is so funny.

It makes us feel good, and give us something to talk about.

[normiss 806]

You're only have right.

Thankfully, there are significantly more interesting things to talk about.

[Skyrad 0]

davjohns

***What she said was stupid, that doesn't mean that she is (but it doesn't mean that she isn't either.)

Fully agree. My observations of her suggest she is quite intelligent. She is also quite opinionated. That tends to get in the way of intelligence IMHO.

Experience has led me to believe that is very true.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Skyrad 0]

normiss

I think he does lawns here in central Florida.

OWCH!!!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Darius11 12]

normiss

I had always thought some stoner came up with the easter bunny.



Dude brah. Next year, I'm hiding the eggs from you.

I'm coloring them first so I can find them man.

LOL its colorful and takes care of the munchies one gets.....so i have read in books.


Here is a weird thing we color eggs too and at the same time and it has nothing to do with Jesus. The Iranian New Year is the first day of spring.

However no Bunnies.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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grue

Did you know Him? Then you can't know.

What if jesus looked like carrot top? With a beard of course.

[devildog 0]

freethefly

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“Jesus was a white man too. He was a historical figure, that’s a verifiable fact, as is Santa — I just want the kids watching to know that.”

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/fox-news-host-megyn-kelly-its-a-verifiable-fact-jesus-was-white/news/2013/12/12/80130#.UqqTiycoZew

Jesus would not had been a white man, fact.
He is no more a historical figure than is Bilbo Baggins, fact.
Megyn Kelly is a verifiable moronic, fact.
Faux News just keeps getting weirder, fact.

20 says she's smarter than you'll ever be.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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devildog

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“Jesus was a white man too. He was a historical figure, that’s a verifiable fact, as is Santa — I just want the kids watching to know that.”

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/fox-news-host-megyn-kelly-its-a-verifiable-fact-jesus-was-white/news/2013/12/12/80130#.UqqTiycoZew

Jesus would not had been a white man, fact.
He is no more a historical figure than is Bilbo Baggins, fact.
Megyn Kelly is a verifiable moronic, fact.
Faux News just keeps getting weirder, fact.

20 says she's smarter than you'll ever be.


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I'll take your $20.00 and raise you $100.00

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megyn_Kelly

[jakee 1,500]

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If she gets a fact wrong, she is stupid?

I think the OP was clear that he's not judging on one incident alone.

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We all create god in our own image.

A) No we don't. B) Wanting Jesus to look like you isn't a valid reason to declare it a fact that he looked like you.

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Since Judaism is an ethnicity

No it isn't. Judaism is a religion/philosophy, the Jewish People is an ethnicity. Kinda.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[winsor 236]

shropshire

That people spend so much time discussing and arguing over myths and legends is so funny.

MY invisible friend is greatly superior to YOUR invisible friend.

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winsor

***That people spend so much time discussing and arguing over myths and legends is so funny.

MY invisible friend is greatly superior to YOUR invisible friend. When Santa takes a checkride, the FAA Examiner carries a 30-06 for practice engine failures.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[rwieder 0]

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I am not a religious person, but there is truck loads of evidence that Jesus of Nazareth was an actual historical figure.

I am a religious person, as all of my family members for the last 100 generations, on my Father's and Mother's side of the family were and are.

There's also many more truck loads of evidence in a book, called "The Bible" that tells the complete story of Jesus's life from the womb to the tomb. If you don't believe what the bible says, I can't see much of an after life future in any disbeliever's. I have also noticed when our friends die doing what they love to do, just like the rest of us, that tons of sentiments ie: RIP, hope your in heaven with the angels, etc...Is this the only time a lot of you get in touch with the "Spiritual Side" and all of the sudden believe in God just enough to say those things about our fallen colleagues in these very forums, or am I just delusional?

Do non believer's just disregard this book? As humans we all have to have faith, not just faith in each other in the sky, the jump ships and pilots, but faith.

"Faith is the things hoped for, and all things unseen." So no matter what you believe about anything else, everyone has Faith......in something, or some one, somewhere.

If we go to altitude, and as usual have our dives planned, do we not have Faith that each and every one is going to do what they said they were going to? Please accept these statements in the spirit in which they are intended.

Happy Holidays to each and everyone and your loved ones as well. May God richly bless each and every of you. Remember "Jesus is the REASON for the season"

Best-
Richard

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Merry Christmas, all!

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rwieder

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I am not a religious person, but there is truck loads of evidence that Jesus of Nazareth was an actual historical figure.

I am a religious person, as all of my family members for the last 100 generations, on my Father's and Mother's side of the family were and are.

Bully for you.

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There's also many more truck loads of evidence in a book, called "The Bible" that tells the complete story of Jesus's life from the womb to the tomb.

Not really. 'The Bible' is a compendium of books of various origin, in various languages, with greatly varying agenda, and the books of the Christian Scriptures were included as selected by a committee. Ironically enough, the Hebrew Scriptures were intended for family consumption ONLY, yet they are used as the 'basis' for the bulk of Universal Religions out there (Christianity, Islam).

Jesus was likely a Nazorean rather than a Zealot; these are movements of Judaism, rather than references to geographical origin. The difference is significant to Judeans, but largely lost on Europeans.

The four 'Gospels' of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are a spotty mishmash of coverage, redacted to limit their inherent contradictions, and focused on a European (specifically Roman) audience. From a historical perspective they are of incidental utility, and have little to do with Messianic Judaism of First Century Judea.

The Ministry of Information for which George Orwell worked, forming the basis for '1984,' had nothing on Roman or Byzantine handling of docuentation.

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If you don't believe what the bible says, I can't see much of an after life future in any disbeliever's. I have also noticed when our friends die doing what they love to do, just like the rest of us, that tons of sentiments ie: RIP, hope your in heaven with the angels, etc...Is this the only time a lot of you get in touch with the "Spiritual Side" and all of the sudden believe in God just enough to say those things about our fallen colleagues in these very forums, or am I just delusional?

I would not bother to use the term "delusional." it's more a matter of "all I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, li la li li li li..."

When someone reflexively blurts out something that has apparent connotations, their verbatim meaning can generally be discounted. When a Brit says "cor, blimey!" ("God blind me!"), you may rest assured they are not asking to be added to the ranks of the vision-impaired.

There most certainly are atheists in foxholes. Vonnegut's refrain of "live for a while, die and be forgotten, so it goes" was the hard won lesson of witnessing first hand mindless death and destruction on an unimaginable scale (Dresden).

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Do non believer's just disregard this book? As humans we all have to have faith, not just faith in each other in the sky, the jump ships and pilots, but faith.

Not as you think you understand it. You go with the odds: "The race may not be to the swift nor the battle to the strong. That is, however, the way to bet."

As far as disregarding goes, a significant percentage of Observant Jews - to include Rabbis - are atheists. One can, for example say the Shema for its traditional value without being convinced that some cosmic entity is paying attention or even exists.

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"Faith is the things hoped for, and all things unseen." So no matter what you believe about anything else, everyone has Faith......in something, or some one, somewhere.

This is equivocation. Faith != belief.

I have faith that my parachute will open, but wear a reserve and use it when it seems appropriate

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If we go to altitude, and as usual have our dives planned, do we not have Faith that each and every one is going to do what they said they were going to?

Sort of. "Trust in Allah - but tie up your camel."

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Please accept these statements in the spirit in which they are intended.

Happy Holidays to each and everyone and your loved ones as well. May God richly bless each and every of you. Remember "Jesus is the REASON for the season"

Um, not hardly. Just a little legitimate research indicates that the timing of 'the birthday' was selected for purely political reasons. Yule festivals and other celebrations of the Equinox were very popular among the target audience for the spread of the 'Christian' power base, so they assigned that date to a replacement festival and incorporated many of the key Pagan elements into the 'new' festival. Someone from First Century Judea would be horrified by many of the commonly accepted elements of 'Christmas.'

My family uses various holidays as an excuse to get together and eat heavily (we are all talented cooks and bakers). Chinese New Year is probably the favorite, since everyone gets to cook their specialty in turn, and we get to spend the day with the people we love while having wonderful food all day.

For us it is an opportunity to enjoy life, rather than to plan for eternity.

"This is life, this is not a dress-rehearsal..."


BSBD,

Winsor

[Stumpy 284]

winsor

Um, not hardly. Just a little legitimate research indicates that the timing of 'the birthday' was selected for purely political reasons.

Yeah - but that doesn't rhyme in a catchy way!

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[shropshire 0]

Stumpy

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Um, not hardly. Just a little legitimate research indicates that the timing of 'the birthday' was selected for purely political reasons.

Yeah - but that doesn't rhyme in a catchy way!

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[GeorgiaDon 362]

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My family uses various holidays as an excuse to get together and eat heavily (we are all talented cooks and bakers).

So, "Jesus is the reason for the seasoning"?

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[BIGUN 1,326]

"Uncle Winsor, will you tell me a bedtime story?"

"Shut the fuck up, kid."

"Oooooo, That's my favorite."

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[BIGUN 1,326]

Christmas is coming up soon and I'm trying to get the facts straight for the kid...

Santa Claus was a white man of Greek heritage who lived in turkey and was a catholic bishop whose first name was Nicholas that moved to the Netherlands; came out of the closet and fell in love with a little black man named Zwarte Piet; changed his name to Sinterklaas and was last seen at Kwanzaa in 1967 lighting kinara candles and trading in African cloth.

That about get it?

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[oldwomanc6 54]

BIGUN

"Uncle Winsor, will you tell me a bedtime story?"

"Shut the fuck up, kid."

"Oooooo, That's my favorite."

Go the Fuck to Sleep

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normiss

LOL

Proof of religion provided by religion itself.

yeah....

Not the brightest comment I've ever read, bro. In fact, it's borderline stupid. There is historical evidence that the person known as Jesus of Nazareth existed. This is not proof of religion by religion itself, it's proof of a historical figure by historical evidence.