PA voter ID law thrown out by judge

[kallend 2,108]

Pennsylvania Voter-Identification Law Barred by Judge.

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[normiss 858]

It's just silly.

[masterrig 1]

Seems to me, this opens the doors for all the illegals living in this country and are not citizens, the ability to vote. Politicians have been pandering to the illegals for their vote in this country for years. The judge's ruling leaves out the fact that a voter in this country must be a citizen. Also, it comes across that convicted criminals would be able to vote.


Chuck

[RonD1120 62]

I do not understand why a voter does not have to prove eligibility to vote.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[masterrig 1]

I don't have a problem with showing my voter registration card or driver's license. What's the big deal? Also, allowing convicted criminals and illegals to vote would make an election illegal, seems to me!?


Chuck

[jclalor 12]

According to the department of justice, voter fraud occurs .00000013% of the time, I can live with those numbers.

Do you really even think this is an issue?



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fraud-real-rare/t/story?id=17213376&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

[jclalor 12]

RonD1120

I do not understand why a voter does not have to prove eligibility to vote.

But it's not an issue for a felon to buy a weapon without ID?

[RonD1120 62]

jclalor

According to the department of justice, voter fraud occurs .00000013% of the time, I can live with those numbers.

Do you really even think this is an issue?



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fraud-real-rare/t/story?id=17213376&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Apparently, the progressive liberal Democrats think it is an issue.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

jclalor

***I do not understand why a voter does not have to prove eligibility to vote.

But it's not an issue for a felon to buy a weapon without ID?

Are you saying that because felons buy weapons illegally on the street it is therefore permissible for illegal voters to vote?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[masterrig 1]

That figure could be taken a couple ways. How 'closely' are voters scrutinized? Usually, on election day, the lines are long and the folks at the polls want to go home. A voter registration card is presented, the name is checked-off the list and the person is handed a ballot. There's no telling how many, across this country 'slip' through.
I just don't have a problem with presenting a voter registration card or my driver's license.


Chuck

[normiss 858]

Some convicted felons can and do vote, rights do get reinstated after some period of time.

For the life of me I don't understand how it's not required to show ID. While it IS required for everything else.

I just don't understand.

[jclalor 12]

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That figure could be taken a couple ways. How 'closely' are voters scrutinized? Usually, on election day, the lines are long and the folks at the polls want to go home. A voter registration card is presented, the name is checked-off the list and the person is handed a ballot. There's no telling how many, across this country 'slip' through.
I just don't have a problem with presenting a voter registration card or my driver's license.

I would rather base our laws on known data, as opposed to basing them on "There's no telling." Voter I'd law is based on a solution in search of a problem.

[jclalor 12]

RonD1120

******I do not understand why a voter does not have to prove eligibility to vote.

But it's not an issue for a felon to buy a weapon without ID?

Are you saying that because felons buy weapons illegally on the street it is therefore permissible for illegal voters to vote?

I'm saying that even when felons know they are going to have a background check, they still try.


http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/feb/03/mayors-against-illegal-guns/us-files-criminal-charges-fraction-gun-denial-case/

[masterrig 1]

I agree with you.
The way I see it, the politicians want it that way so they can get more votes. Making their own job security.


Chuck

[masterrig 1]

jclalor

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That figure could be taken a couple ways. How 'closely' are voters scrutinized? Usually, on election day, the lines are long and the folks at the polls want to go home. A voter registration card is presented, the name is checked-off the list and the person is handed a ballot. There's no telling how many, across this country 'slip' through.
I just don't have a problem with presenting a voter registration card or my driver's license.

I would rather base our laws on known data, as opposed to basing them on "There's no telling." Voter I'd law is based on a solution in search of a problem.

How 'valid' is that 'known' data?


Chuck

[normiss 858]

I think this was also THE major part of the reasoning in the felon rights restoration.
Votes.

[champu 1]

jclalor

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I just don't have a problem with presenting a voter registration card or my driver's license.

I would rather base our laws on known data, as opposed to basing them on "There's no telling." Voter ID law is based on a solution in search of a problem.

I'm inclined to agree with this sentiment. I too would have no problem showing an ID or a voter registration card, but I'm always skeptical of laws set out to stop a problem if it's unclear if the cure is worse than the disease. "Oh well, doesn't affect me" is a crappy litmus test for supporting a new law.

[masterrig 1]

That sure makes sense! Just consider the number of felons on the streets and parolees.


Chuck

[normiss 858]

People make mistakes.
Not all of them are bad people.

More so given our government's desire to imprison the majority of us.

[kelpdiver 2]

jclalor

I would rather base our laws on known data, as opposed to basing them on "There's no telling." Voter I'd law is based on a solution in search of a problem.

We know that voter id problems are a solution to a problem, just not the one being presented. But it's hard for most GOP members to own up to the problem being 'too many Democratic voters.'

[rehmwa 2]

kelpdiver

We know that voter id problems are a solution to a problem, just not the one being presented. But it's hard for most GOP members to own up to the problem being 'too many illegalDemocratic voters.'

clarification needed - they are just mad because the Dems are getting a lot more of their illegal votes counted than the Reps illegal votes

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[masterrig 1]

Real good point! As it happens, I know one or two who served their time and They're keeping their noses clean. I'm not going to sit here and say they are 'friends' but I'll converse with them. On the other side of the coin, there are those who for some reason don't clean-up their act. I'm in favor of second chances for those who 'prove' themselves.


Chuck

[normiss 858]

I'm good with that perspective too.

Have a good weekend.
Time for a beer!

[masterrig 1]

You bet! Have one for me!


Chuck

[Andy9o8 2]

jclalor

According to the department of justice, voter fraud occurs .00000013% of the time, I can live with those numbers.
Do you really even think this is an issue?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fraud-real-rare/t/story?id=17213376&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

I mean seriously, folks, do you really think the impoverished, uneducated migrant picking your vegetables or washing dishes in a restaurant is remotely inclined to knock off a couple hours' work to go vote for dogcatcher?