ryoder 1,590 #1 February 11, 2014 http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Governor-announces-moratorium-on-death-penalty-in-Wash-244925321.html"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,436 #2 February 11, 2014 Hi ryoder, Gov. Kitzhaber ( D-OR ) beat him to it: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/06/steve_duin_gov_john_kitzhaber.html JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 February 11, 2014 ryoderhttp://www.komonews.com/news/local/Governor-announces-moratorium-on-death-penalty-in-Wash-244925321.html Quote"During my term, we will not be executing people," said Inslee. But "nobody is getting out of prison, period." Quote" But nobody is getting out of prison, period." If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, Period! Yeahhhhhhh, we can trust them guys can't we?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #4 February 11, 2014 Quote If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, Period! Comparing the two is a bit of stretch, don't ya think??? I think getting rid of the death penalty is a good move.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #5 February 11, 2014 tonyhaysQuote If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, Period! Comparing the two is a bit of stretch, don't ya think??? I think getting rid of the death penalty is a good move. I don't for certain crimes.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #6 February 11, 2014 tonyhaysQuote If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, Period! Comparing the two is a bit of stretch, don't ya think???. He doesn't care. To them, there's no poke at Obama that's a non-sequitur. Whatever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #7 February 11, 2014 Andy9o8***Quote If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, Period! Comparing the two is a bit of stretch, don't ya think???. He doesn't care. To them, there's no poke at Obama that's a non-sequitur. Whatever. Just because Obama said it, doesn't mean he was the ONLY democrat that said it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 February 11, 2014 turtlespeed******Quote If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, Period! Comparing the two is a bit of stretch, don't ya think???. He doesn't care. To them, there's no poke at Obama that's a non-sequitur. Whatever. Just because Obama said it, doesn't mean he was the ONLY democrat that said it. Do you not understand "non sequitur"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #9 February 11, 2014 Andy9o8*********Quote If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, Period! Comparing the two is a bit of stretch, don't ya think???. He doesn't care. To them, there's no poke at Obama that's a non-sequitur. Whatever. Just because Obama said it, doesn't mean he was the ONLY democrat that said it. Do you not understand "non sequitur"? Yes, but it wasn't.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #10 February 12, 2014 Good. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FastRon 0 #11 February 12, 2014 Like some- Governor Inslee values the lives of the killers over that of the victims and families of same. Some do not. I expect others will debate the moral arguments involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #12 February 12, 2014 FastRonLike some- Governor Inslee values the lives of the killers over that of the victims and families of same. That's crap, and I suspect you know it.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #13 February 12, 2014 Interesting. As Chief Executive, he is in charge of the quality of the system that convicts the prisoners. He can unilaterally choose to review cases and pardon or parole the convicts ( I presume. Governors usually can). The most common complaint I hear about the death penalty is that the system is not good enough. We can never be sure. I understand he might not be able to completely fix that. He can't change all the history of American Jurisprudence and legislation. But he also has the ability to review death row cases and make a call. He has chosen to make a universal call. Does he not have time? Would his decisions bring too much political fallout? I'm sorry. I understand the concerns. But there are people in this world who are clearly guilty of heinous crimes and we would all be better off if they were not in the world. I don't really mean to reopen that argument, but I gave examples in previousl threads where people could not deny the guilt of the criminals or the justness of a death penalty. Sometimes, it's just a matter of where you draw the line. He has the ability to move that line unilaterally. Now, if he wanted to punt it over to the judicial system and say the cost / benefit analysis indicated the state could not afford to pursue the cases, that would be different. I could probably buy that argument.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #14 February 12, 2014 Or he just doesn't like the death penalty is standing firm on his beliefs. That alone should make him a R superhero. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #15 February 12, 2014 SkyDekker Or [the governor] just doesn't like the death penalty is standing firm on his beliefs. In fairness to Dav's () point, if the governor was really standing on his beliefs, he'd add his name to the list of political Profiles in Courage by irreversibly commuting all of their sentences. Instead, he half wimped out and simply enacted a policy that might not extend a single day after he leaves office. His successor(s) can still sign death warrants for those defendants. Mind, you, I still laud what he did (for broad policy reasons I won't get into here), but it's half a loaf. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #16 February 12, 2014 State sponsored murder needs to stop somewhere. Half effort is better than none I suppose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #17 February 12, 2014 Andy9o8 ***Or [the governor] just doesn't like the death penalty is standing firm on his beliefs. In fairness to Dav's () point, if the governor was really standing on his beliefs, he'd add his name to the list of political Profiles in Courage by irreversibly commuting all of their sentences.. Which is what Gov. Ryan did in Illinois. Pity he couldn't pre-emptively commute his own sentence for corruption.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pacific 0 #18 February 12, 2014 SkyDekkerOr he just doesn't like the death penalty is standing firm on his beliefs. That alone should make him a R superhero. Not if your daughter is raped and murdered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #19 February 12, 2014 How about when your innocent brother is murdered by the state for a murder that he didn't commit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #20 February 12, 2014 Pacific***Or he just doesn't like the death penalty is standing firm on his beliefs. That alone should make him a R superhero. Not if your daughter is raped and murdered. Nothing will make that scenario right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #21 February 12, 2014 QuoteBut he also has the ability to review death row cases and make a call. He has chosen to make a universal call. Does he not have time? No, he probably doesn't. And that should be obvious. By the time they reach the point of Gubernatorial review a death penalty case will be an immensely complicated mass of conflicting statements, contested evidence, possible allegations of police or prosecutorial misconduct, and the list goes on. Why the fucking fuck would you think that a Governor, who potentially has absolutely zero experience within the criminal justice system, would be better placed to evaluate any individual case than the police investigators, the prosecutors, the trial jury, the trial judge and potentially 5 different appeals courts? Why will he be able to unravel the knots that have tied up every other level of the system? Quote But there are people in this world who are clearly guilty of heinous crimes and we would all be better off if they were not in the world. I don't really mean to reopen that argument, but I gave examples in previousl threads where people could not deny the guilt of the criminals or the justness of a death penalty. So? What is it you're not getting with life imprisonment?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,436 #22 February 12, 2014 Hi Andy, Quote Instead, he half wimped out and simply enacted a policy that might not extend a single day after he leaves office. His successor(s) can still sign death warrants for those defendants. And this is what Gov. Kitzhaber of Oregon did. If nothing else, it is a step in the right direction. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pacific 0 #23 February 13, 2014 normissHow about when your innocent brother is murdered by the state for a murder that he didn't commit? How about this raping murdering sicko who confesses and leads police to the boy's body? http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/12/3929900/florida-supreme-court-rejects.html Did you want to spare his life? The boy's parents sure didn't Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #24 February 13, 2014 What exactly does vengeance provide? Did they get their son back? Did the pain stop? Murders will continue so long as we as a society lack value for life. We simply don't respect life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #25 February 13, 2014 jakeeQuoteBut he also has the ability to review death row cases and make a call. He has chosen to make a universal call. Does he not have time? No, he probably doesn't. And that should be obvious. By the time they reach the point of Gubernatorial review a death penalty case will be an immensely complicated mass of conflicting statements, contested evidence, possible allegations of police or prosecutorial misconduct, and the list goes on. Why the fucking fuck would you think that a Governor, who potentially has absolutely zero experience within the criminal justice system, would be better placed to evaluate any individual case than the police investigators, the prosecutors, the trial jury, the trial judge and potentially 5 different appeals courts? Why will he be able to unravel the knots that have tied up every other level of the system? Quote But there are people in this world who are clearly guilty of heinous crimes and we would all be better off if they were not in the world. I don't really mean to reopen that argument, but I gave examples in previousl threads where people could not deny the guilt of the criminals or the justness of a death penalty. So? What is it you're not getting with life imprisonment? I'm going to have to take some time to work through your logic. He's not smart enough to understand individual cases. But when he judges a whole bunch of cases with no knowledge but the verdict, he's a genius. Interesting argument.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
