Snowmobiler vs Moose?

[craddock 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmwzLWT0sMA#t=0

Have fun with this one. This should stir up some people.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[quade 4]

Yeah, because there was no way a guy on a snowmobile couldn't just turn around and leave.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Amazon 7]

craddock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmwzLWT0sMA#t=0

Have fun with this one. This should stir up some people.

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[Andy9o8 2]

quade

Yeah, because there was no way a guy on a snowmobile couldn't just turn around and leave.

Well, he stood his ground.

Let's see how long the vid stays posted til somebody clues the twat in to take it down.

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ETA: I have been contacted by the family of the moose to represent their interests in this avoidable tragedy. We'll be releasing a statement soon.

[winsor 236]

quade

Yeah, because there was no way a guy on a snowmobile couldn't just turn around and leave.

Wow, your snowmobile has a Reverse gear?

Kewl!

What make and model is it? I want one.

[Rick 67]

wasted the moose and then wasted the meat


if you are gonna shoot it you should drag it home and eat it

You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

winsor

***Yeah, because there was no way a guy on a snowmobile couldn't just turn around and leave.

Wow, your snowmobile has a Reverse gear?

Kewl!

What make and model is it? I want one.

Lots of them have it. A quick search found Polaris, Arctic Cat and Yamaha parts.

http://www.wesnowmobile.com/Types-Of-Snowmobiles.aspx

In any case, it looked like a steep dropoff to the right and deep powder in the woods to the left. I'm not sure turning around was an option. Besides, at the end, someone comes up behind him on another sled. He might have been boxed in.

I'm not going to say I like the action, but there are a lot of factors we just don't know about. To many for me to judge whether the action was appropriate or not.
Others will undoubtedly have different opinions.

Edit to add:

rick

if you are gonna shoot it you should drag it home and eat it

Some places, getting caught with a carcass and no tag/license is a BIG poaching fine.

I agree that it was wasteful, but I don't blame the guy for not wanting to get caught with an untagged moose.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[jakee 1,500]

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I'm not going to say I like the action, but there are a lot of factors we just don't know about. To many for me to judge whether the action was appropriate or not.
Others will undoubtedly have different opinions.

Shooting the thing may or may not have been the best way to deal with it, I don't know.

Leaving it alive makes me think he's a fucking arsehole.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[GD64 1]

First off the asshole should have stayed at original position on the trail where he first stopped. The moose would probably not have charged him, which was inevitable as he closed the distance between them threatening the animals space. Moose are on a very "short fuse" this time of year with all the snow and cold, as well as their number one enemy taking them down in record numbers...wolves. I have had this happen to me two times by large bull moose while on my motorcycle. One even made a false charge. Both times the moose finally got bored and moved off road into the woods (took twenty minutes of waiting on one). But they are huge majestic creatures although they can be cantankerous.

It would have been hard if not impossible to turn the sled around because of the deep snow which would have buried it.

What really pissed me off (raised farm/ranch kid), is you do NOT allow an animal to suffer!! For him to fire half dozen rounds and drive by while it's still kicking made me want to put half dozen rounds in him.

When all is done you have several hundred pounds of good meat. To drive off from a suffering animal and let it go to waste or let the meat get tainted by not gutting it out is another indicator of how F-ed up this person is!

[craddock 0]

quade

Yeah, because there was no way a guy on a snowmobile couldn't just turn around and leave.

Just so you know Quade......That would be a two person job right there on my sled trying to turn around. It would not be remotely easy as I would be stuck in a second off trail in that snow and I have raced for years and have a far above average skill set. That just is not a very easy place at all to try and turn around with a single track and deep powder if you get off. FYI

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[craddock 0]

winsor

***Yeah, because there was no way a guy on a snowmobile couldn't just turn around and leave.

Wow, your snowmobile has a Reverse gear?

Kewl!

What make and model is it? I want one.

Most have reverse now days but cant go far or fast without sucking in the snowflap and coming to a hault on a skidoo. No gear though. Motor spins in reverse

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[craddock 0]

GD64,

I am sure he was wound up and possibly shaking and just wanted out of the woods onto that lake/field to regroup with his buddy. No way of knowing if the walked back and gave it a kill shot. No sense assuming he didn't.

Also I see several deer a day here this year with all the snow if I trail ride. Thousands of people in the midwest scare them off just like that. I tend not to and have been at a stare down for what seemed like 30 minutes with a Whitetail that was very stressed, Pawing at the ground and wheezing at me. That can be stressful for the animal as well. I have killed one at full speed and just clipped one last Wed with my ski tip by accident. I had a run in outside of west Yellowstone coming around a corner with a Moose that ran off but scared me as it was a close call. People traveling out west this time of year to sled are not as knowledgeable as you about Moose. He clearly could have handled the first part of it better but there are thousands of people from the Midwest used to whitetail that could easily and innocently have gotten themselves into that same predicament. Once he made the initial mistake of creeping up in it to scare it and it backfired, he was in a serious situation. Lesson learned. I am sure that meat was not wasted. If they didn't go to their cabin across the lake and come back with a rifle and rope to get it then it was eaten by starving wolves or coyotes. Doubtful any meat went to waste with the winter this year and all the starving animals

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[Amazon 7]

GD64

First off the asshole should have stayed at original position on the trail where he first stopped. The moose would probably not have charged him, which was inevitable as he closed the distance between them threatening the animals space. Moose are on a very "short fuse" this time of year with all the snow and cold, as well as their number one enemy taking them down in record numbers...wolves. I have had this happen to me two times by large bull moose while on my motorcycle. One even made a false charge. Both times the moose finally got bored and moved off road into the woods (took twenty minutes of waiting on one). But they are huge majestic creatures although they can be cantankerous.

It would have been hard if not impossible to turn the sled around because of the deep snow which would have buried it.

What really pissed me off (raised farm/ranch kid), is you do NOT allow an animal to suffer!! For him to fire half dozen rounds and drive by while it's still kicking made me want to put half dozen rounds in him.

When all is done you have several hundred pounds of good meat. To drive off from a suffering animal and let it go to waste or let the meat get tainted by not gutting it out is another indicator of how F-ed up this person is!

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[GD64 1]

Yes craddock.......you make some good points. I assumed the worst about the sleder based on his poor decision making, and one handed "spray and pray" shooting.

You are right about the yotes and wolves feasting if they didn't get the meat. I've seen a lot of kill sites from the air this year on moose. They are under a great deal of stress.

Ride safe.

[craddock 0]

GD64

Yes craddock.......you make some good points. I assumed the worst about the sleder based on his poor decision making, and one handed "spray and pray" shooting.

You are right about the yotes and wolves feasting if they didn't get the meat. I've seen a lot of kill sites from the air this year on moose. They are under a great deal of stress.

Ride safe.

You too.

Just a few more comments. He is not actually doing a one handed spray. He is shooting two handed pretty controlled I thought. First shot clearly in the air and yelled again try and scare it. Then four shots that I thought were fairly controlled for the rapid succession. One may find a lot of faults in this indecent but I actually didn't expect one to find them in his gun handling skills. I am sure he would have done different and did not set out to do this. I do not know who it is so that is just as bad of speculation or hope maybe.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[rickjump1 0]

craddock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmwzLWT0sMA#t=0

Have fun with this one. This should stir up some people.

There was a similar situation in Montana, but the moose was not murdered http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_f02482b6-7728-11e3-89a1-0019bb2963f4.html

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[GD64 1]

craddock...... I had to go back and review vid. Yes it was more controlled than I first thought. Yeah, we all screw up and hopefully it doesn't end in death.

Moose burger over an outdoor fire tonight?

[craddock 0]

Sounds good GD64. Maybe some of my latest batch of Venison sticks to go with. btw. What puts you in the air to see the kill sights? Work? GA?

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[CornishChris 5]

That just made me really sad.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[tkhayes 348]

Just another example of how fucking stupids humans are and why we are a scourge on this planet.

[shropshire 0]

What a cunt

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[winsor 236]

tkhayes

Just another example of how fucking stupids humans are and why we are a scourge on this planet.

I agree.

If the guy had found his path blocked by something intent upon killing and eating him, trying to slow it down with a handgun may have made some sense. Not a lot of sense, mind you, since your basic semiauto is likely to do little but seriously annoy a brown bear, actually hitting any of a pack of attacking wolves is problematic and so forth, but there might have been some justification.

Also, if a bull moose was actively charging with apparent malicious intent, there may have been some claim to justification.

There are pestilent creatures that one is recommended to kill on sight as a matter of course - rattlesnakes, coyotes, feral pigs and what have you - but moose certainly are not on the short list.

Using a firearm in self-defense has similar rules regarding wild animals and feral humans. First, if you find yourself in the position where doing so is necessary, you have likely made a number of bad decisions and you may well be on a roll. Second, if you can break off the confrontation, you should.

If this guy (I'm assuming it was not a Sarah Palin type) had got off the sno-go and hung out behind a tree, the moose would have been no threat. The moose had charged and backed off without attacking, so I suspect the moose would have eventually wandered off if it was not annoyed further.

I strongly support policies that allocate areas to animals, where their rights trump those of people. There are areas where, if a Grizzly tries to eat you and you shoot it, you will be prosecuted.

On the basis of the record provided in the link, this guy should face jail time. If he has a jury of hunters, he's screwed.


BSBD,

Winsor

[GD64 1]

Hey craddock.......those sticks sound good, and the hotter the better.

I have an old Luscombe, taildragger, stick controls, which is outfitted with skis this time of the year. I carry snowshoes, survival pack, and back-country skis and poles aboard (skis are pretty useless now with all the snow).

It's easy to see the kill sites with blood everywhere against the white snow on the ice. I'm flying low and slow (VFR) and I have seen the wolf kills in various stages. Usually the pack will hamstring the moose and after that, it's over pretty quick. A lot of the time on a fresh kills, the pack will stay in place for a couple of days gorging themselves even while exposed out on the open ice. I guess they don't want to share with other wolf packs, bears, and yotes. They have to share with bald eagles and ravens who swoop in and grab chunks. This year the moose are exceptionally vulnerable in the woods with snow depths in the four to six foot range and I've seen where they have been taken down in small clearings at choke points.

I'm not anti-wolf however, I believe they are populating at a far greater rate then moose, elk, and maybe deer. This is just based on my personal observation. Also the dramatic decrease in the moose population is also being blamed in some circles on "winter ticks". So I am a little "edgy" when it comes to losing a moose (but you and I don't have to revisit that conversation).

Be well, nice talking with you!

[craddock 0]

GD64

Hey craddock.......those sticks sound good, and the hotter the better.

Just over 1 jalapeno per pound, Cayenne and Crushed red pepper flakes. A good bite but not hot "hot" by some standards. Also some hi temp chedder. And a great smoke flavor chasing the temp up over hours that you just don't get in store bought stuff. Snap. I am just a little bit proud of them. Keep doctoring it with every batch

Sounds like a blast with your plane. Be Safe!

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[craddock 0]

tkhayes

Just another example of how fucking stupids humans are and why we are a scourge on this planet.

Not all of us are as educated on moose as those from Florida and PA. Almost all riders in the midwest would have tried to yell at it to get it to move if it were a deer. I am very glad this was posted so that people can learn. Many many people had no idea that Moose behaved like this. If this would have been a Bear, Deer, Elk, Coyote, Wolf(even a pack) they would have ran off when approached and hollered at. If this guy was a local then yes he should have known better and I take from this that when visiting that we should do a better job of learning the individual traits of the wildlife that we might encounter.

Certainly this guy made a potentially fatal mistake when he approached the animal further after the initial contact hoping to scare it off. Almost everyone I ride with in the midwest I have seen do the same. Only not with Moose as we do not have them.

What I have a problem with is that once he effed up people think he should have laid down and surrendered(succumbed?) to the animal. It was clearly turning back for another go at it. The reported 51 year old man had Dilated cardiomyopathy which is a very serious heart condition. I do not believe making a run for it in several feet of snow like Windsor said was a feasible solution. From what I have read on hunting sites from those more familiar with Moose say running from sled would not be bright at all. His 15 year old kid was behind him. He couldn't just snap his fingers and undo his mistake. And despite all this I still believe his life was more valuable even though his erroneous behavior put him in the position. I understand others position but I do not believe charges are warranted. Certainly not a lynching or T&F. It is a sad deal but in the end he was about to be under a second attack, was in poor health and had his Son behind him. And had seconds to make a decision to save himself or to pray. I can think of several things I would have done even late in the situation but that's easy to say sitting in front of my computer with a 65 bps heart rate.

Once the animal attacked him, he went into survival mode and it was not the time to analyze and contemplate his mistakes that put him there. I have learned a lot on hollering at Moose and how they react vs almost every other animal in North america as a result of this incident. I am glad the video was posted. Heck, If in saves even one life...............(that includes future Moose)

But then again I am also glad he survived so I am in the minorithy

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.