SkyDekker 1,465 #51 March 24, 2014 DanGQuoteYour Nazi quote was a propos. This sentiment is exactly what Hitler was creating. Find an identifyable group to blame all the negatives on. BLAME CANADA!!! I'll go buy my armnband now.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #52 March 24, 2014 SkyDekker***QuoteYour Nazi quote was a propos. This sentiment is exactly what Hitler was creating. Find an identifyable group to blame all the negatives on. BLAME CANADA!!! I'll go buy my armnband now....Might be hard to goosestep in snowshoes. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #53 March 24, 2014 GeorgiaDon******QuoteYour Nazi quote was a propos. This sentiment is exactly what Hitler was creating. Find an identifyable group to blame all the negatives on. BLAME CANADA!!! I'll go buy my armnband now....Might be hard to goosestep in snowshoes. Don but easier to herd us into ovens...we inherently follow the warmth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #54 March 24, 2014 SkyDekker*********QuoteYour Nazi quote was a propos. This sentiment is exactly what Hitler was creating. Find an identifyable group to blame all the negatives on. BLAME CANADA!!! I'll go buy my armnband now....Might be hard to goosestep in snowshoes. Don but easier to herd us into ovens...we inherently follow the warmth. And ya'll can sing this spiritual... http://youtu.be/bOR38552MJAStupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #55 March 24, 2014 SkyDekker ***"Well now ain't that "convenient" " Necessary. The madness wrought in this area might require the pendullum to swing the other way for a time. So it's always been so in history. Your Nazi quote was a propos. This sentiment is exactly what Hitler was creating. Find an identifyable group to blame all the negatives on. You're still missing the point, & the big picture. At least You're consistent ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #56 March 24, 2014 PiLFy ******"Well now ain't that "convenient" " Necessary. The madness wrought in this area might require the pendullum to swing the other way for a time. So it's always been so in history. Your Nazi quote was a propos. This sentiment is exactly what Hitler was creating. Find an identifyable group to blame all the negatives on. You're still missing the point, & the big picture. At least You're consistent ... What's the bigger picture? Is illegal immigration a problem, yes it is, specially since your border is porous. The costs involved to make it not so porous is pretty high. You make it sound like deporting all illegal immigrants is relatively easy. You even suggest to suspend the constitution in those artea where it may not be so easy. Maybe we need to begin with the true downside and costs associated with illegal immigration. I.e. is the problem really as big as you seem to think it is? The way you are invoking nazis just makes it sound like you want to get rid of brown people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #57 March 24, 2014 PiLFy You're still missing the point, & the big picture. At least You're consistent ... What is the "Big Picture"? You keep saying that we are at "War" and you imply that illegal immigrants present some huge "Threat" to us. Big enough to suspend the Constitution (or at least the BoR). What, exactly, is that? Terrorism? Not really. The level of difficulty for terrorists (Islamic or "other) to get into the country is pretty low. Finding a "clean" guy to enter the country is pretty easy. Actually pulling it off is another issue. The "Destruction Of Our Way Of Life?" Not really. That fear was present all the way back to the beginning of the country. There was a show on PBS about the anti-immigrant sentiment back around the turn of the 20th century. It was amazingly similar to the rants and bigotry shown today (in general, not you specifically). Most of the illegals just want a better life for themselves and their families. They work the bottom jobs because that's all they have. They pay taxes (sales, gasoline, property[directly through ownership or indirectly through rent], income, SSI) and have earned in-state tuition. Welfare and other aid usually requires proof of legal status. Some of them have counterfeit stuff, but that usually won't pass a serious check by the government. So why are you so afraid of immigrants?"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #58 March 24, 2014 You're far too Troll-ish. You can read my answers to others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #59 March 25, 2014 Hi Joe, Quote "What is the "Big Picture"? You keep saying that we are at "War" and you imply that illegal immigrants present some huge "Threat" to us. Big enough to suspend the Constitution (or at least the BoR)." My big picture comments were directed at a Troll who likes to be obtuse. Fair question from you, though. I view the Immigration problems as part of much more pervasive problems in this country. Yes, you could sum a lot of it up as an issue of cheap labor. I like history, Joe. I've read about the different animosities between various ethnic groups as new waves hit our shores. It was quite a different situation during the late '1800s_early 1900's, though. Opportunities were plentiful. The vast majority of this beautiful land remained under/undeveloped. It's an entirely different situation, now. The 1% keep sucking more & more of the wealth up to themselves. Search the Net for some figures on how bad it's gotten over the past few decades. It's obscene. To steal more from the populace, they dictate that the borders remain porous. They dictate that the H1B program remains intact. All Illegals aren't dishwashers, gardeners, or other menial workers. Some make quite a bit more than that. Yes, some are abused, & victimized. I've led a Hemmingesque kind of life. I've done all sorts of work before & during college. A lot of those jobs were very physical. Nowadays, younger guys can't go pick up work like that unless they're señor citizens. In the past few years, how many guys would've jumped at the chance to make $300-$400 a day humping block or tree trunks to keep feeding their families, Joe? How many kids who have to work through college, like I did, can't get decent paying jobs because their skin is the wrong color? The Labor Board makes a big stink when they announce that 150,000 jobs were created. Try creating 20 friggin million jobs. Jobs like I did during college don't pay nearly as well as they did. The Illegals have lowered the wages. White Guys can't get hired for them because they're not wanted for those jobs. There is also a segment of society who will work jobs like that for the rest of their lives. They are American citizens w/every right to those jobs. They've been displaced. The evils of the H1B program is another like topic. Jobs are being robbed from what once was the middle class by that same 1%. You think that Illegals don't get on the dole? Joe, I work in health care. I routinely am forced to provide care to illegals. Illegals who have no Social Security number, & get combative when asked. They have full-ride welfare benefits. They think they're entitled to care that I have to explain to working Americans that they can't afford. Illegal aliens are getting on the dole in droves. One way is for them to pop out an Anchor Baby. Then, the friggin flood gates open for them... &, if their gringo boyfriend abuses them (or, they just say so?). They'll get everything: housing, food, health care, schooling. Perhaps it's not as obvious in your part of the country, Joe. I assure you that Illegals are costing all of us ridiculous sums of money. Some here might think I'm a racist. I'm not. I'm a bilingual white guy who speaks Spanish. I know a lot of Hispanic people who are fine people. Yes, most of the Illegals simply want a better way of life. The problem is, they're taking it from Americans who belong here. You say they've earned some of those perks because they pay some taxes? You think they've earned in-state tuition rates?? I didn't get in-state rates all my college years, & I belong here.They never should've been here. Joe, if I came to your town, & stole $50,000. Would you be OK w/it if I gave back $15,000? Try & pull what Illegals do in this country, back in their own. You'll be immediately imprisoned & deported. I'm not even mentioning the crime wave of felons that come across the border, as well. That's a no-brainer. The best part, is it's not even that many Illegals are getting so much on the dole. It's that they're so ungrateful, they think they've a right to all of it. Hell, I'll show you families w/several freaking kids, all on the dole... Many American Families around here struggle to provide for one or two children. Oh & forget about assimilation. There's open animosity, w/absolutely no intent to ever adopt this culture for their own. I'm tired & rambling, but there it is. I'm not a Nazi. I'm not afraid of Hispanics. I'm not xenophobic. I like different cultures. Those aren't the issues, here. I'm not advocating for the entire Constitution or BoR to be suspended, either. Only a few points might need to be suspended for a time to set things right, again. Illegal Immigration is being used by the 1% to further destroy this country, Joe. I take that very personally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #60 March 25, 2014 PiLFyI'm not advocating for the entire Constitution or BoR to be suspended, either. Only a few points might need to be suspended for a time to set things right, again. Oh thats OK then. On you go.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #61 March 25, 2014 Stumpy***I'm not advocating for the entire Constitution or BoR to be suspended, either. Only a few points might need to be suspended for a time to set things right, again. Oh thats OK then. On you go. There's plenty of historical precedent, but as you say, on you go... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #62 March 25, 2014 PiLFyHi Joe, Quote "What is the "Big Picture"? You keep saying that we are at "War" and you imply that illegal immigrants present some huge "Threat" to us. Big enough to suspend the Constitution (or at least the BoR)." My big picture comments were directed at a Troll who likes to be obtuse. Fair question from you, though. I view the Immigration problems as part of much more pervasive problems in this country. Yes, you could sum a lot of it up as an issue of cheap labor. I like history, Joe. I've read about the different animosities between various ethnic groups as new waves hit our shores. It was quite a different situation during the late '1800s_early 1900's, though. Opportunities were plentiful. The vast majority of this beautiful land remained under/undeveloped. It's an entirely different situation, now. The 1% keep sucking more & more of the wealth up to themselves. Search the Net for some figures on how bad it's gotten over the past few decades. It's obscene. To steal more from the populace, they dictate that the borders remain porous. They dictate that the H1B program remains intact. All Illegals aren't dishwashers, gardeners, or other menial workers. Some make quite a bit more than that. Yes, some are abused, & victimized. I've led a Hemmingesque kind of life. I've done all sorts of work before & during college. A lot of those jobs were very physical. Nowadays, younger guys can't go pick up work like that unless they're señor citizens. In the past few years, how many guys would've jumped at the chance to make $300-$400 a day humping block or tree trunks to keep feeding their families, Joe? How many kids who have to work through college, like I did, can't get decent paying jobs because their skin is the wrong color? The Labor Board makes a big stink when they announce that 150,000 jobs were created. Try creating 20 friggin million jobs. Jobs like I did during college don't pay nearly as well as they did. The Illegals have lowered the wages. White Guys can't get hired for them because they're not wanted for those jobs. There is also a segment of society who will work jobs like that for the rest of their lives. They are American citizens w/every right to those jobs. They've been displaced. The evils of the H1B program is another like topic. Jobs are being robbed from what once was the middle class by that same 1%. You think that Illegals don't get on the dole? Joe, I work in health care. I routinely am forced to provide care to illegals. Illegals who have no Social Security number, & get combative when asked. They have full-ride welfare benefits. They think they're entitled to care that I have to explain to working Americans that they can't afford. Illegal aliens are getting on the dole in droves. One way is for them to pop out an Anchor Baby. Then, the friggin flood gates open for them... &, if their gringo boyfriend abuses them (or, they just say so?). They'll get everything: housing, food, health care, schooling. Perhaps it's not as obvious in your part of the country, Joe. I assure you that Illegals are costing all of us ridiculous sums of money. Some here might think I'm a racist. I'm not. I'm a bilingual white guy who speaks Spanish. I know a lot of Hispanic people who are fine people. Yes, most of the Illegals simply want a better way of life. The problem is, they're taking it from Americans who belong here. You say they've earned some of those perks because they pay some taxes? You think they've earned in-state tuition rates?? I didn't get in-state rates all my college years, & I belong here.They never should've been here. Joe, if I came to your town, & stole $50,000. Would you be OK w/it if I gave back $15,000? Try & pull what Illegals do in this country, back in their own. You'll be immediately imprisoned & deported. I'm not even mentioning the crime wave of felons that come across the border, as well. That's a no-brainer. The best part, is it's not even that many Illegals are getting so much on the dole. It's that they're so ungrateful, they think they've a right to all of it. Hell, I'll show you families w/several freaking kids, all on the dole... Many American Families around here struggle to provide for one or two children. Oh & forget about assimilation. There's open animosity, w/absolutely no intent to ever adopt this culture for their own. I'm tired & rambling, but there it is. I'm not a Nazi. I'm not afraid of Hispanics. I'm not xenophobic. I like different cultures. Those aren't the issues, here. I'm not advocating for the entire Constitution or BoR to be suspended, either. Only a few points might need to be suspended for a time to set things right, again. Illegal Immigration is being used by the 1% to further destroy this country, Joe. I take that very personally. So your "big picture" is one long anecdote? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #63 March 25, 2014 rushmchttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/19/judge-states-can-demand-proof-citizenship-voters/ And it seems the people agree Quote78% Favor Proof of Citizenship Before Being Allowed to Vote QuoteTwenty-nine percent (29%) believe laws that require proof of citizenship before allowing voter registration discriminate against such voters. But more than twice as many (61%) say such laws do not discriminate, up three points from 58% who felt that way in March of last year. Ten percent (10%) are undecided. Opponents of proof-of-citizenship laws claim they are intended to keep eligible voters from voting, while supporters say instead that they are intended to keep ineligible voters from casting votes. Thirty-four percent (34%) think it is more common that people are prevented from voting who should be allowed to vote. Half (50%) of voters disagree and think that more often people are allowed to vote who are not eligible to vote. Seventeen percent (17%) are not sure. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/march_2014/78_favor_proof_of_citizenship_before_being_allowed_to_vote"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #64 March 25, 2014 [Url]cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2014/03/25/12-17803.pdf[/url] This was handed down today. Jackson v. San Francisco. The 9th Circuit condoned requirements for trigger locks or gun safes and banning hollow point ammo. A couple of things: Ikuta authored it. She isn't a lefty. Second: it's a pretty good analysis. I disagree, but some serious creedence was given to the side of gun rights. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #65 March 26, 2014 "The 9th Circuit condoned requirements for trigger locks or gun safes and banning hollow point ammo." I'm not about to read thirty pages tonight, but... I don't have an issue w/gun safes, but banning hollow points? What, they'd prefer over-penetration in an urban environment ?? Hardball through the drywall is a bad day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #66 March 26, 2014 Should people who have maintained their voter registration for years have to prove their citizenship? I don't really object to having to prove citizenship to register, but once registered, one should be able to vote. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #67 March 26, 2014 wmw999Should people who have maintained their voter registration for years have to prove their citizenship?I have no problem with this I don't really object to having to prove citizenship to register, but once registered, one should be able to vote. I could agree with maintaining a consistent address Wendy P."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #68 May 14, 2014 Another: time.com/98712/idaho-same-sex-marriage-ban-unconstitutional/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #69 May 14, 2014 kallendAnother: time.com/98712/idaho-same-sex-marriage-ban-unconstitutional/ keeping government out of personal business. how very libertarian of you to agree :)-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #70 May 14, 2014 rhaig***Another: time.com/98712/idaho-same-sex-marriage-ban-unconstitutional/ keeping government out of personal business. how very libertarian of you to agree :) Yep. I'd far rather see a libertarian in the White House than a Tea Party Republican.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #71 May 21, 2014 And another in Oregon. And another in Pennsylvania. And in NYC, Conservative political commentator and author Dinesh D’Souza, who made the film “2016: Obama’s America,” pleaded guilty to violating U.S. campaign finance law by using straw donors to exceed federal limits.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #72 May 21, 2014 PiLFy***OK, I'm going to forgo the obvious Nazi cheap shot. But one thing to consider is that the Germany of the 1930's was a country that people were trying to get out of, not into. Wendy P. It wasn't a cheap shot (?). They had far less technology than we do, now. The Jews weren't trying to get out. They were hiding. They were found & deported. If that was done w/paper ledgers & steam powered trains. I'd say we can do markedly better, nowadays. Deported all the way to concentration camps and ovens... reason they were hiding."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rifleman 70 #73 May 21, 2014 PiLFyHi Joe, Quote "What is the "Big Picture"? You keep saying that we are at "War" and you imply that illegal immigrants present some huge "Threat" to us. Big enough to suspend the Constitution (or at least the BoR)." I'm not advocating for the entire Constitution or BoR to be suspended, either. Only a few points might need to be suspended for a time to set things right, again. So, if the US government determined that it was in the best interests of the country, given that "You're at War", for them to suspend your fifth amendment rights and force you from your home at gunpoint, place you in an internment camp with all your friends and family and keep you there for years even though you're a citizen of the US who swore the Oath of Allegiance you'd be fine with that? Didn't think so.Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #74 June 26, 2014 Two more yesterday: www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2014/06/25/judge-rejects-gay-marriage-ban-indiana/11380635/ www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-court-rules-utah-gaymarriage-ban-illegal-20140625-story.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #75 June 26, 2014 Here is a better one http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/26/supreme-court-limits-president-recess-appointment-power/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
