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[sfzombie13 324]

it just keeps getting better and better here. we got a bil passed into law that regulates the inspection of above ground storage tanks, it didn't get gutted too bad, it's considered a win by our side. then we have the fbi visiting the trucking company which hauled the mchm to the new storage facility. it turns out that they were doing all kinds of illegal stuff with it for years. and then to top it all off, this: http://www.wowktv.com/story/24957727/waste-water-being-removed-from-poca-facility-water-crisis-chemical-spill

it turns out that in the whole area, this is the location of one of the only two municipal water companies. and the landfill is where, you ask? upstream of the creek which feeds the water supply for the area. but the landfill is lined and has state of the art leak detection systems, so we'll be all right. nothing to see here, carry on.

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sfzombie13

it just keeps getting better and better here. we got a bil passed into law that regulates the inspection of above ground storage tanks, it didn't get gutted too bad, it's considered a win by our side. then we have the fbi visiting the trucking company which hauled the mchm to the new storage facility. it turns out that they were doing all kinds of illegal stuff with it for years. and then to top it all off, this: http://www.wowktv.com/story/24957727/waste-water-being-removed-from-poca-facility-water-crisis-chemical-spill

it turns out that in the whole area, this is the location of one of the only two municipal water companies. and the landfill is where, you ask? upstream of the creek which feeds the water supply for the area. but the landfill is lined and has state of the art leak detection systems, so we'll be all right. nothing to see here, carry on.

Until that 1000 year flood comes along... funny how we have had several of those around here in the last 40 years

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***it just keeps getting better and better here. we got a bil passed into law that regulates the inspection of above ground storage tanks, it didn't get gutted too bad, it's considered a win by our side. then we have the fbi visiting the trucking company which hauled the mchm to the new storage facility. it turns out that they were doing all kinds of illegal stuff with it for years. and then to top it all off, this: http://www.wowktv.com/story/24957727/waste-water-being-removed-from-poca-facility-water-crisis-chemical-spill

it turns out that in the whole area, this is the location of one of the only two municipal water companies. and the landfill is where, you ask? upstream of the creek which feeds the water supply for the area. but the landfill is lined and has state of the art leak detection systems, so we'll be all right. nothing to see here, carry on.

Until that 1000 year flood comes along... funny how we have had several of those around here in the last 40 years

1000 year flood? Wouldn't they just call that global warming?

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Nope.. its a probability thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100-year_flood

But then it gets worse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Tennessee_floods

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I thought they changed it to "climate change".....

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sfzombie13

it just keeps getting better and better here. we got a bil passed into law that regulates the inspection of above ground storage tanks, it didn't get gutted too bad, it's considered a win by our side. then we have the fbi visiting the trucking company which hauled the mchm to the new storage facility. it turns out that they were doing all kinds of illegal stuff with it for years. and then to top it all off, this: http://www.wowktv.com/story/24957727/waste-water-being-removed-from-poca-facility-water-crisis-chemical-spill

it turns out that in the whole area, this is the location of one of the only two municipal water companies. and the landfill is where, you ask? upstream of the creek which feeds the water supply for the area. but the landfill is lined and has state of the art leak detection systems, so we'll be all right. nothing to see here, carry on.

I am sorry, but I thought we wanted less government regulation and that "Free Market" forces would take care of all of this?

[sfzombie13 324]

a few things wrong with such a short statement.
1. there is no such thing as a free market in this country.
2. without regulations, we get things like this happening. we may as well just slit our own throats. of course, there were regulations in place before all of this, they just weren't enforced.
3. how would free market forces possibly help anything that i am talking about here?
the only thing that will save our country is radical action within the next 10 years. it may already be too late, but i am not giving up.
if there is one thing i have learned since becoming an activist, it is that nothing is going to get done while people, all people, cannot see that there is a huge problem. too many people are too afraid to upset anything that might mean no more american idol (or any other form of entertainment). the only way to change anything means a lot of inconvenience for a lot of people. some of it could be mitigated by several factors, but without sweeping commitment to actually improving the situation, we may as well lie down and die now. the answers are there, but those in charge refuse to accept it.
time to change those in charge, we need a brief period of martial law, followed by total rebuilding of the entire system. the alternative is a violent revolution. there may be other ways, but i highly doubt it.

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time to change those in charge, we need a brief period of martial law, followed by total rebuilding of the entire system.

Yikes.

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sfzombie13

a few things wrong with such a short statement.
1. there is no such thing as a free market in this country.
2. without regulations, we get things like this happening. we may as well just slit our own throats. of course, there were regulations in place before all of this, they just weren't enforced.
3. how would free market forces possibly help anything that i am talking about here?
the only thing that will save our country is radical action within the next 10 years. it may already be too late, but i am not giving up.
if there is one thing i have learned since becoming an activist, it is that nothing is going to get done while people, all people, cannot see that there is a huge problem. too many people are too afraid to upset anything that might mean no more american idol (or any other form of entertainment). the only way to change anything means a lot of inconvenience for a lot of people. some of it could be mitigated by several factors, but without sweeping commitment to actually improving the situation, we may as well lie down and die now. the answers are there, but those in charge refuse to accept it.
time to change those in charge, we need a brief period of martial law, followed by total rebuilding of the entire system. the alternative is a violent revolution. there may be other ways, but i highly doubt it.

Most people have blinders on that do not allow them to see the reality of what many corporations do.

The Oil and COAL industries are some of the very worst when it comes to peoples lives in the area's they operate. God help you if you are trying to stand up to them and their pollution of your land, your water, your neighbors, or your family.
HOW DARE you stand in the way of a few people getting fabulously wealthy. The worst though are their minions who in their minds are very well paid( but are not really) who are afraid of losing what is eventually a dead end job anyway.

GREED my droogies...

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I thought they changed it to "climate change".....

They had to. Too many people are too stupid to understand that overall global warming doesn't mean it will never get colder than usual where they live for short periods of time.

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>3. how would free market forces possibly help anything that i am talking about here?

The company is sued out of existence. The CEO, the CTO, the CFO and all the high level executives are sued to the tune of millions. Result - the next CEO who comes in, buys all the assets and restarts production places a much higher priority on maintenance.

(Of course what really happens is that they hire excellent lawyers, pay a few thousand dollar fine and continue as before.

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even before you put the parenthesis statement in, it was untrue. the corporations never get sued by anyone because they put too much money into the political coffers of those elected or appointed to protect the people. in essence, they are protecting those who need it least. while in theory your statement may be true (i say may because i highly doubt the validity of it, haven't got time to research, so i will leave it at a doubt), in practice, the free market does not exist. if it did, then we would all be using renewable energy. remove the subsidies for fossil fuels and the system falls apart, making renewables not only desirable, but competitive.

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This topic is BS. If you ppl had any idea the junk we have to put up with, ya'll wouldn't be making wreckless remarks such as the ones in this thread. We don't utilize radio active materials to drill oil/gas wells. This is a missnomer. If you want to know what types of chemicals we do use I can hook you up with how ever MSDS sheets you want.

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Richard

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time to change those in charge, we need a brief period of martial law, followed by total rebuilding of the entire system.

Yikes.

Such a revolution would be violent.

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rwieder

This topic is BS. If you ppl had any idea the junk we have to put up with, ya'll wouldn't be making wreckless remarks such as the ones in this thread. We don't utilize radio active materials to drill oil/gas wells. This is a missnomer. If you want to know what types of chemicals we do use I can hook you up with how ever MSDS sheets you want.

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Richard

Then what the hell is the crap all over North Dakota in the waste the oil companies minions are dumping any and everywhere they can get away with it instead of taking those filter sleeves by the thousands to an approved haz mat dump site. They may not be utilizing it.. but it is a DIRECT waste product being filtered and every site out there they find is way above what is allowed.
( Another reason the .... wait for it.. wait for it Jerry....... Koch and others want to gut or buy every EPA official they can.. no regulations.. lower costs so they can get richer. The people who have to live with the results of the drilling for all time on their lands and in their food and water....will not do so well as of all those billions going into a few pockets so they have lots of " FUCK YOU MONEY" as its called.

But what the hell.. they are poor.. they deserve to die of cancers since they were not smart enough to be born with wealth.. or the money to get a good education so they could escape their unfortunate circumstances.

Try again

[sfzombie13 324]

don't worry, i don't blame you. and i am very glad that you actually believe this, if you do, so that you are better able to sleep at night. it is not the workers that i do blame, it is those in charge. i am used to people defending the worst of them because they need the jobs or actually believe what they are told like good little worker bees. you know, i actually had one guy that told me they used biodegradeable materials! he said they had to be because they weren't marked with any placards and are dumped right onto the ground! how can you argue with that logic?

edit to add: you posted the response in the wrong thread. this one has not one thing to do with radioactive anything, it is about dumping mchm in a landfill where a creek runs right beside of it into the water supply for almost 50,000 people which were unaffected by the same chemical that poisoned 300,000. and you can pull all of the msds sheets on that, i have read them all and they say unknown on nearly everything. and i just found out that they stopped putting it there, i wonder where it's going now?

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> while in theory your statement may be true (i say may because i highly doubt the
>validity of it, haven't got time to research, so i will leave it at a doubt), in practice,
>the free market does not exist.

1) That statement was "in theory." That is how, in theory, a free market regulates itself.

2) In practice, the free market does even more to prevent such lawsuits than allow them. A free market allows companies to amass a lot of money; this money can then be used to buy the best lawyers money can buy.

>remove the subsidies for fossil fuels and the system falls apart, making
>renewables not only desirable, but competitive.

Not right now they wouldn't. Coal and oil are just plain cheaper if you ignore the health effects, the military cost, the cost of energy security, the costs to infrastructure etc. That may change as the costs of renewable energy drops.

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Then what the hell is the crap all over North Dakota in the waste the oil companies minions are dumping any and everywhere they can get away with it instead of taking those filter sleeves by the thousands to an approved haz mat dump site. They may not be utilizing it.. but it is a DIRECT waste product being filtered and every site out.

I know you must know this, but there are chemical plants all along the river, they dump their waste in this river. The only time we oil field ppl get any press, it's bad. Truth is, they need to monitor those chemical plants, wouldn't ya say? And stop blaming the energy providers, including myself by default.

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Richard

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Then what the hell is the crap all over North Dakota in the waste the oil companies minions are dumping any and everywhere they can get away with it instead of taking those filter sleeves by the thousands to an approved haz mat dump site. They may not be utilizing it.. but it is a DIRECT waste product being filtered and every site out.

I know you must know this, but there are chemical plants all along the river, they dump their waste in this river. The only time we oil field ppl get any press, it's bad. Truth is, they need to monitor those chemical plants, wouldn't ya say? And stop blaming the energy providers, including myself by default.

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Richard

Did you read ANY of the articles.... really???

Its part of the fracking going on in North Dakota. Its a by-product of that..

The problem with the WV chemical spill is also the energy industry.. the chemicals are used by coal companies.

In the rush to make serious bank for a few people.. and provide a little trickle to those who work for them, the energy industry has been and always will be pretty much I don't give a shit about the lives of the "little people" whose land or water we pollute. Who cares if they end up with all those cancers... we are rich now..

Oh and who cleans it up??? The fines do not even start to do so.. so the owners get the profits.. the taxpayers... get the cleanup bill.

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I've been to N.D. Wyoming, Utah, Pennsylvainia, Wa, West Va, California, NM, Mississippi, Louisiana, Florida, Oklahoma, well you get the idea. I know. the status of all of these things but cannot discuss the situation b/c of confidential statements that are in place. I will say me, I got my wells drilled on time and on curve under AFE (Allowable Fixed Expenditures) I never ever had a pollution incident, and I have never had an LTA. My guys would follow me any where b/c they know I'm not going to be pulling any ignorant BS or dangerous activities that will put anyone in harms way. I'ge been asked time & time again to do illegal things concerning the well we're drilling at the time. I don't need to be fired so I just tell them "I'm not going to do it" that really gets their goat. But there's certain things that you can get "sent up the river" and I'm not going to ask the Rig Manager's or the drill crews to do anything illegal. I could do time for that and I'm not going to the joint for nobody. I'm too old to be some bodies girl friend. I've been canned for being insubordinate before. Better that than go to the joint. I'm just not going to do it.

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Richard