The Hobby Lobby case

[quade 4]

BONER PILLS ARE ALWAYS COVERED! ALWAYS!

Probably says something about the limp dicks that run the companies.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[marks2065 0]

billvon

>yep, no one will get the 4 or 5 drugs they list

Which of those drugs are for male reproductive healthcare? I didn't see any such drugs (like Viagra, Cialis etc) on the list. Are they denying something else?

I'll give you this if you will call discrimination for the government making me pay for female thing on my insurance policy. otherwise there is no discrimination because they are canceling the drugs for both sexes

[billvon 3,006]

>I'll give you this if you will call discrimination for the government making me pay
>for female thing on my insurance policy.

?? Huh? What is a "female thing?"

>otherwise there is no discrimination because they are canceling the drugs for both
>sexes

Uh - no. That's why I specifically used the Bidil case. Bidil is a drug prescribed ONLY for African-Americans because they have a slightly different cardiac response to the drug. If you cancel only Bidil coverage, you are still discriminating. Saying "well we cancelled Bidil for whites as well" is meaningless since Bidil cannot be prescribed for whites.

It's akin to banning interracial marriage, then saying "but we're not discriminating! Blacks can still marry any one of the same color they want to, just like whites can. Same same." The Supreme Court ruled that that is, in fact, unconstitutional.

[kelpdiver 2]

marks2065

I'll give you this if you will call discrimination for the government making me pay for female thing on my insurance policy. otherwise there is no discrimination because they are canceling the drugs for both sexes

They cover your prostate care, you cover their breast cancer. They cover testicular cancer, you cover "lady problems."

But reproductive health is a dual gender affair - both participated in all acts leading to the need for this care.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

kelpdiver

***
I'll give you this if you will call discrimination for the government making me pay for female thing on my insurance policy. otherwise there is no discrimination because they are canceling the drugs for both sexes

They cover your prostate care, you cover their breast cancer. They cover testicular cancer, you cover "lady problems."

But reproductive health is a dual gender affair - both participated in all acts leading to the need for this care.

In all fairness, men do get breast cancer.

[kelpdiver 2]

SkyDekker

In all fairness, men do get breast cancer.

indeed true. cervical cancer is a more apt gender specific analog. But breast cancer does much more damage, and primarily against women.

[kallend 2,027]

SkyDekker

******
I'll give you this if you will call discrimination for the government making me pay for female thing on my insurance policy. otherwise there is no discrimination because they are canceling the drugs for both sexes

They cover your prostate care, you cover their breast cancer. They cover testicular cancer, you cover "lady problems."

But reproductive health is a dual gender affair - both participated in all acts leading to the need for this care.

In all fairness, men do get breast cancer.

Approx. 1% of breast cancers are in males, 99% in females.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Amazon 7]

marks2065

***>yep, no one will get the 4 or 5 drugs they list

Which of those drugs are for male reproductive healthcare? I didn't see any such drugs (like Viagra, Cialis etc) on the list. Are they denying something else?

I'll give you this if you will call discrimination for the government making me pay for female thing on my insurance policy. otherwise there is no discrimination because they are canceling the drugs for both sexes

And why the hell am I paying for mens Stiffy pills????? Sounds like discrimination against women to me.

[marks2065 0]

Amazon

******>yep, no one will get the 4 or 5 drugs they list

Which of those drugs are for male reproductive healthcare? I didn't see any such drugs (like Viagra, Cialis etc) on the list. Are they denying something else?

I'll give you this if you will call discrimination for the government making me pay for female thing on my insurance policy. otherwise there is no discrimination because they are canceling the drugs for both sexes

And why the hell am I paying for mens Stiffy pills????? Sounds like discrimination against women to me.

see we do agree, being made to pay for something we could never use is wrong.

[okalb 104]

marks2065

see we do agree, being made to pay for something we could never use is wrong.

I have no children and never plan to. Why do I have to pay taxes to send someone else's brats to school?

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

[billvon 3,006]

>see we do agree, being made to pay for something we could never use is wrong.

I think you might be a little unclear on the concept of "insurance."

[normiss 805]

Don't tell him how much he pays for DUI accidents.
Won't be happy with that one I expect.

[turtlespeed 221]

billvon

>see we do agree, being made to pay for something we could never use is wrong.

I think you might be a little unclear on the concept of "insurance."

Birth control being covered, and a required part of any health insurance plan is like oil changes being part of your auto insurance.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,006]

>Birth control being covered, and a required part of any health insurance plan is
>like oil changes being part of your auto insurance.

And if your auto insurance covered everything bad that happened to your car (as health insurance does) it would make a lot of sense to cover oil changes - because $19 for an oil change could well save the insurance company $3400 for a rebuilt engine.

However, auto insurance doesn't. And yes, it's horrible that your insurance money might go to pay for some idiot who drove too fast on an icy road and plowed into someone else. But again, that's how insurance works. You pay for other people's stuff, and they pay for yours.

[turtlespeed 221]

billvon

>Birth control being covered, and a required part of any health insurance plan is
>like oil changes being part of your auto insurance.

And if your auto insurance covered everything bad that happened to your car (as health insurance does) it would make a lot of sense to cover oil changes - because $19 for an oil change could well save the insurance company $3400 for a rebuilt engine.

However, auto insurance doesn't. And yes, it's horrible that your insurance money might go to pay for some idiot who drove too fast on an icy road and plowed into someone else. But again, that's how insurance works. You pay for other people's stuff, and they pay for yours.

Then what you need to do is purchase a maintenance contract. Not Car insurance.

I don't think you understand the difference between health care and health insurance.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SkyDekker 1,465]

"being made to pay for something I will never use" is a stupid argument. You do it your whole adult life, assuming you are responsible enough to pay taxes.

Nothing lays bare the "me culture" of the US than this thread. Helping society is celebrated when it comes to taking up arms and killing in the name of the country. But, it is frowned upon and resisted when it involves trying to build a healthier society.

Seems like the only thing people are worried about is ME, ME, ME and hope this scores points for my political leanings.

Political parties and government isn't killing the US, you as a society are doing it yourself.

[Amazon 7]

SkyDekker

"being made to pay for something I will never use" is a stupid argument. You do it your whole adult life, assuming you are responsible enough to pay taxes.

Nothing lays bare the "me culture" of the US than this thread. Helping society is celebrated when it comes to taking up arms and killing in the name of the country. But, it is frowned upon and resisted when it involves trying to build a healthier society.

Seems like the only thing people are worried about is ME, ME, ME and hope this scores points for my political leanings.

Political parties and government isn't killing the US, you as a society are doing it yourself.

^^^^THIS^^^^

I really hate paying taxes.. BUT... I look at it as the dues that we as a people pay to live in a civilized society.

Sorry but it seems to me that the most vociferous critics of taxation are those who are getting something for nothing.

They use all the services that a civilized society affords.. and do not wish to pay for it.
I really despise those kinds of TAKERS.

[wmw999 2,453]

I agree with Amazon. And those takers exist at all financial levels in society. Some are the "unworthy poor," who want to suck at the federal tit all their lives. Others are the "unworthy rich," who want to pay only for the services they are aware they use.

Among other things, the people who help provide us with one's lifestyle use services that we don't. That applies wherever we are on the economic ladder. And just as rent includes the building owner's tax responsibilities, so do taxes reflect other people's needs along with our own.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[normiss 805]

Can you imagine how upset other group members under the same plan would react to a $100,000 + hospital bill for a skydiving injury?

I would think most of them would not be too happy knowing they were paying for stoopid people to jump from perfectly good airplanes.
That's just insane.

[GeorgiaDon 362]

turtlespeed

***>Birth control being covered, and a required part of any health insurance plan is
>like oil changes being part of your auto insurance.

And if your auto insurance covered everything bad that happened to your car (as health insurance does) it would make a lot of sense to cover oil changes - because $19 for an oil change could well save the insurance company $3400 for a rebuilt engine.

However, auto insurance doesn't. And yes, it's horrible that your insurance money might go to pay for some idiot who drove too fast on an icy road and plowed into someone else. But again, that's how insurance works. You pay for other people's stuff, and they pay for yours.

Then what you need to do is purchase a maintenance contract. Not Car insurance.

I don't think you understand the difference between health care and health insurance.I don't think you understand the difference between birth control and Turtle Wax.

Don

_____________________________________
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[rushmc 23]

billvon

However, auto insurance doesn't. And yes, it's horrible that your insurance money might go to pay for some idiot who drove too fast on an icy road and plowed into someone else. But again, that's how insurance works. You pay for other people's stuff, and they pay for yours.

this is true (almost)
And we are seeing this in obamacare pricing
Example
You may have a pre-existing condition that must be covered, but those policies that do this have higher premiums and out of pocket limits

Car insurance spreds these (as yet unknown) risk factors and incidnets, across the insured pool
When one gets a policy with a pre-existing condition it is no longer insurance
It is just spending money to get more than you spend

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

***

However, auto insurance doesn't. And yes, it's horrible that your insurance money might go to pay for some idiot who drove too fast on an icy road and plowed into someone else. But again, that's how insurance works. You pay for other people's stuff, and they pay for yours.

this is true (almost)
And we are seeing this in obamacare pricing
Example
You may have a pre-existing condition that must be covered, but those policies that do this have higher premiums and out of pocket limits

Car insurance spreds these (as yet unknown) risk factors and incidnets, across the insured pool
When one gets a policy with a pre-existing condition it is no longer insurance
It is just spending money to get more than you spend

Really? Here in Canada if you have a pre-existing condition (speeding tickets, accidents, insurance fraud convictions etc) your premiums go up significantly. Or you are simply denied coverage for auto insurance.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

******

However, auto insurance doesn't. And yes, it's horrible that your insurance money might go to pay for some idiot who drove too fast on an icy road and plowed into someone else. But again, that's how insurance works. You pay for other people's stuff, and they pay for yours.

this is true (almost)
And we are seeing this in obamacare pricing
Example
You may have a pre-existing condition that must be covered, but those policies that do this have higher premiums and out of pocket limits

Car insurance spreds these (as yet unknown) risk factors and incidnets, across the insured pool
When one gets a policy with a pre-existing condition it is no longer insurance
It is just spending money to get more than you spend

Really? Here in Canada if you have a pre-existing condition (speeding tickets, accidents, insurance fraud convictions etc) your premiums go up significantly. Or you are simply denied coverage for auto insurance.

That is what I am saying but
Here, now, you could be walking down the street, get hit by a truck, get picked up by an abulance (which has an hc insurance salesman in it) and by your policy on the way to the hospital

Can you buy your car insurance while the car is being towed away after an acident?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

*********

However, auto insurance doesn't. And yes, it's horrible that your insurance money might go to pay for some idiot who drove too fast on an icy road and plowed into someone else. But again, that's how insurance works. You pay for other people's stuff, and they pay for yours.

this is true (almost)
And we are seeing this in obamacare pricing
Example
You may have a pre-existing condition that must be covered, but those policies that do this have higher premiums and out of pocket limits

Car insurance spreds these (as yet unknown) risk factors and incidnets, across the insured pool
When one gets a policy with a pre-existing condition it is no longer insurance
It is just spending money to get more than you spend

Really? Here in Canada if you have a pre-existing condition (speeding tickets, accidents, insurance fraud convictions etc) your premiums go up significantly. Or you are simply denied coverage for auto insurance.

That is what I am saying but
Here, now, you could be walking down the street, get hit by a truck, get picked up by an abulance (which has an hc insurance salesman in it) and by your policy on the way to the hospital

Can you buy your car insurance while the car is being towed away after an acident?

Right, but the insurance you bought doesn't cover expenses from before the coverage started, only expenses incurred after.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

************

However, auto insurance doesn't. And yes, it's horrible that your insurance money might go to pay for some idiot who drove too fast on an icy road and plowed into someone else. But again, that's how insurance works. You pay for other people's stuff, and they pay for yours.

this is true (almost)
And we are seeing this in obamacare pricing
Example
You may have a pre-existing condition that must be covered, but those policies that do this have higher premiums and out of pocket limits

Car insurance spreds these (as yet unknown) risk factors and incidnets, across the insured pool
When one gets a policy with a pre-existing condition it is no longer insurance
It is just spending money to get more than you spend

Really? Here in Canada if you have a pre-existing condition (speeding tickets, accidents, insurance fraud convictions etc) your premiums go up significantly. Or you are simply denied coverage for auto insurance.

That is what I am saying but
Here, now, you could be walking down the street, get hit by a truck, get picked up by an abulance (which has an hc insurance salesman in it) and by your policy on the way to the hospital

Can you buy your car insurance while the car is being towed away after an acident?

Right, but the insurance you bought doesn't cover expenses from before the coverage started, only expenses incurred after.

Not with our new HC laws

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln