7 million Americans sign up for the ACA.

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kelpdiver

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Millions of people saw an immediate 100 to 300 percent increase.

HOW the F^^^ is that good for any of those people?

There's an underdocumented misfact pulled right out of Fox Studios in NY!

I might have believed you if it didn't happen to me.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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kelpdiver

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Millions of people saw an immediate 100 to 300 percent increase.

HOW the F^^^ is that good for any of those people?

There's an underdocumented misfact pulled right out of Fox Studios in NY!

Spreading lies, about underdocumented misfacts, is still lying.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

I might have believed you if it didn't happen to me.

that doesn't translate to millions of people, and we know that these often came with policy changes.

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kelpdiver

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I might have believed you if it didn't happen to me.

that doesn't translate to millions of people, and we know that these often came with policy changes.

You justify it because it changed a little, like I needed Maternity coverage.

Yep - I have to pay 250% more because I wasn't covered for pregnancy.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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lawrocket

And this is called "success?" More than 8 million people live in NYC. The greater Los Angeles area has 15 million people. The US population has about 318 million people.

2.2% of Americans have signed on. The promise was 30 million newly insured. The preojection was 26 million to remain uninsured.

Are we seeing 12 or 13% of the uninsured being newly insured touted as a success? Or are my numbers wrong?

No, your numbers are wrong.

There are 7 million signups and were 48 million uninsured which is about 15%; although the overwhelming majority of people who signed up early already had insurance.

McKinsey & Co. found that only 11% of people signing up between November and January had no insurance.

HealthMarkets found that 35% of their enrolees lacked prior coverage.

Priority Health found just 25% of their surveyed enrollees were previously uninsured.

The relevant numbers are even worse because "previously uninsured" lumps those who could not get affordable insurance (with pre-existing conditions, because they actually made too little money to buy insurance but too much for Medicare, or because they were too old to be affordable but not old enough for Medicare) in with those who could but chose not to.

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PiLFy

It's failing on its own, just fine. It doesn't need any prodding from the opposition.

Which begs the question, why they feel the need to make up stories about how it's failing so badly, most of which get shown up as the complete nonsense that they are.

Is it perfect? No. Could it be better? Yes. Is it better than what came before? Yes.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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Stumpy

***It's failing on its own, just fine. It doesn't need any prodding from the opposition.

Which begs the question, why they feel the need to make up stories about how it's failing so badly, most of which get shown up as the complete nonsense that they are.

Is it perfect? No. Could it be better? Yes. Is it better than what came before? Yes.

Curiosity makes me ask you if you used the american insurance system of independant insurance or were you on your National Insurance plan?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

******It's failing on its own, just fine. It doesn't need any prodding from the opposition.

Which begs the question, why they feel the need to make up stories about how it's failing so badly, most of which get shown up as the complete nonsense that they are.

Is it perfect? No. Could it be better? Yes. Is it better than what came before? Yes.

Curiosity makes me ask you if you used the american insurance system of independant insurance or were you on your National Insurance plan?

I have used both - currently I have a private plan as well as the subsidised healthcare (which, incidentally, I believe to be the best all round solution), when I was working in the US I used the american system (duh ) and I currently have a team based in Atlanta GA for which we have a corporate scheme.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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normiss

My understanding from NPR yesterday is that the numbers are for "creating an account" on the healthcare.gov site.
Not necessarily signing up, nor even making a payment.

I'm not convinced those reported numbers really mean anything at all.

WHAT?????
From the man and admin who promised you:
you can keep you plan if you liked it?
you can keep you Dr if you liked him/her
it would lower a family plan by $2500 per year?
it would lower the cost of all HC insurance
would insure 30 million MORE
show us the most open honest and transparent gov ever??

Seriously??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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It's a riot watching this. The ACA meets the original goals, as planned for this date and the right wing nutters here deny dent deny that it even happened.

you people are a fucking trip. Who said and when did they say it that 30M people would be signed up by April 1? No such thing was ever said. There are several other milestones coming - this is one of them.

Fox news did not even cover it except a mention in a story that you had to search their site for.

Anyway, while you folks are getting on with the spiral of doom, I am going to continue on with my insured life.....

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RonD1120

It seems that Obamacare is failing right on schedule as intended.

Actually I think it is failing earlier than they intended
The delays were in place to get those responsible past the next election cycle if not the next two

Then they figured the intentionally created mess would lead to single payer with them still in power

But that is just me...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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jclalor

***I see. The numbers I got were from a CBO report and projections. It said that of the 55 million non-elderly uninsured, 11 million were expected to be insured this year, leaving 44 million out. Then 37 million for next year. 31 million uninsured for 2015. And then bottoming out at 30 million uninsured from 2016 to 2020.

So what we're seeing is 12-13% of uninsured opening accounts. That's almost double what I had thought.

My understanding is that a side from the 7.1 million from the exchanges, there are 3 million who were able to stay on their parents insurance and many more who were able to join Medicaid. It seems the 11 million projected to have insurance due to the ADA by 4/1/14 is correct.

Not to mention how much higher the numbers would be if all those red States had complied with the law.

The SC said they did not have to "comply" with the law because the fed did not have the power to force them too

Not the state faults

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

******I see. The numbers I got were from a CBO report and projections. It said that of the 55 million non-elderly uninsured, 11 million were expected to be insured this year, leaving 44 million out. Then 37 million for next year. 31 million uninsured for 2015. And then bottoming out at 30 million uninsured from 2016 to 2020.

So what we're seeing is 12-13% of uninsured opening accounts. That's almost double what I had thought.

My understanding is that a side from the 7.1 million from the exchanges, there are 3 million who were able to stay on their parents insurance and many more who were able to join Medicaid. It seems the 11 million projected to have insurance due to the ADA by 4/1/14 is correct.

Not to mention how much higher the numbers would be if all those red States had complied with the law.

The SC said they did not have to "comply" with the law because the fed did not have the power to force them too

Not the state faults

The SC didn't prevent ANY state from participating. The red states, by and large, had a hissy-fit and refused. The fault, therefore, is 100% the states' fault.

Just like the red states refused the medicaid expansion in a fit of pique, which disadvantaged their own poorest residents.

Fortunately the ignorance level in the red states is such that they'll still elect the Republicans that screw them over.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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tkhayes

It's a riot watching this. The ACA meets the original goals, as planned for this date and the right wing nutters here deny dent deny that it even happened.

The goalposts keep getting moved. Hence certain mandates being moved to after the election.

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you people

Some people may find that term offensive.

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Anyway, while you folks are getting on with the spiral of doom, I am going to continue on with my insured life.....

Good for you. Now, what about those 40 or 50 million others that are uncovered? To take a left wing argument, you just expect them to die off without coverage or should another whole new health care law be passed to cover those whom this law was supposed to cover?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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turtlespeed

******Next year, when those 7 million People experience double digit increases in their premiums, & are forced to cancel their policies. I wonder how the Lie Machine will try to spin that...

double digit increases....ahem....how many years in the last 20 did individual plan subscribers NOT see a double digit increase? That was going on before ObamaCare became a well known phrase.

I'm sure you mean a triple digit increase - don't you? That was unprecedented.

Some States ARE going to see a doubling of premium' rates. I was going for overall increases.

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PiLFy

*********Next year, when those 7 million People experience double digit increases in their premiums, & are forced to cancel their policies. I wonder how the Lie Machine will try to spin that...

double digit increases....ahem....how many years in the last 20 did individual plan subscribers NOT see a double digit increase? That was going on before ObamaCare became a well known phrase.

I'm sure you mean a triple digit increase - don't you? That was unprecedented.

Some States ARE going to see a doubling of premium' rates. I was going for overall increases.

I see - For the greater good.

If we can save just ONE child.

I see where you are in your beliefs.

Fuck 9 or 10 MILLION people's life - but hey - we got our way, right?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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kelpdiver

***Next year, when those 7 million People experience double digit increases in their premiums, & are forced to cancel their policies. I wonder how the Lie Machine will try to spin that...

double digit increases....ahem....how many years in the last 20 did individual plan subscribers NOT see a double digit increase? That was going on before ObamaCare became a well known phrase.

Rates have been going up 7-8%, annually. They're about to go up far more than that. Ahem... That's not even factoring in the huge increases in deductibles. Ahem......Ahem.

Really hate to burst your bubble, but you've been lied to. Obamanos isn't your Savior. He's just the latest Asswipe mouthpiece for the 1%.

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turtlespeed

************Next year, when those 7 million People experience double digit increases in their premiums, & are forced to cancel their policies. I wonder how the Lie Machine will try to spin that...

double digit increases....ahem....how many years in the last 20 did individual plan subscribers NOT see a double digit increase? That was going on before ObamaCare became a well known phrase.

I'm sure you mean a triple digit increase - don't you? That was unprecedented.

Some States ARE going to see a doubling of premium' rates. I was going for overall increases.

I see - For the greater good.

If we can save just ONE child.

I see where you are in your beliefs.

Fuck 9 or 10 MILLION people's life - but hey - we got our way, right?

Ya got me wrong, turtle dude. I've been against the ACA_CF from day one.

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PiLFy

***************Next year, when those 7 million People experience double digit increases in their premiums, & are forced to cancel their policies. I wonder how the Lie Machine will try to spin that...

double digit increases....ahem....how many years in the last 20 did individual plan subscribers NOT see a double digit increase? That was going on before ObamaCare became a well known phrase.

I'm sure you mean a triple digit increase - don't you? That was unprecedented.

Some States ARE going to see a doubling of premium' rates. I was going for overall increases.

I see - For the greater good.

If we can save just ONE child.

I see where you are in your beliefs.

Fuck 9 or 10 MILLION people's life - but hey - we got our way, right?

Ya got me wrong, turtle dude. I've been against the ACA_CF from day one.

My bad - It seemed like you were advocating a lower percentage since you didn't have to figure individuals and went with a larger group . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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These sort of debates are so much fun when we get to use imaginary numbers.

It's also funny to see how much trouble some have with an actual number like 7,000,000.

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PiLFy

I've been against the ACA_CF from day one.

Since before you knew what was in it, in fact.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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Good for you. Now, what about those 40 or 50 million others that are uncovered? To take a left wing argument, you just expect them to die off without coverage or should another whole new health care law be passed to cover those whom this law was supposed to cover?

eventually more and more will be or get coverage. what about the millions and millions that would have been covered with health insurance except for the right-wing states that refused to participate?
The projections, originally, and still today, have years to come to completion....the deadline for 'everything' was not April 1.

No I do not expect them to 'die off'. The republican alternative is what? Nothing. repeal it? Sure, there's a 'die off' solution.

And I will bet you $100 that if the Republicans win the next election and even if they win majority control of house and senate, that they will NOT repeal it.

single payer. next step.

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kallend

*********I see. The numbers I got were from a CBO report and projections. It said that of the 55 million non-elderly uninsured, 11 million were expected to be insured this year, leaving 44 million out. Then 37 million for next year. 31 million uninsured for 2015. And then bottoming out at 30 million uninsured from 2016 to 2020.

So what we're seeing is 12-13% of uninsured opening accounts. That's almost double what I had thought.

My understanding is that a side from the 7.1 million from the exchanges, there are 3 million who were able to stay on their parents insurance and many more who were able to join Medicaid. It seems the 11 million projected to have insurance due to the ADA by 4/1/14 is correct.

Not to mention how much higher the numbers would be if all those red States had complied with the law.

The SC said they did not have to "comply" with the law because the fed did not have the power to force them too

Not the state faults

The SC didn't prevent ANY state from participating. The red states, by and large, had a hissy-fit and refused. The fault, therefore, is 100% the states' fault.

Just like the red states refused the medicaid expansion in a fit of pique, which disadvantaged their own poorest residents.

Fortunately the ignorance level in the red states is such that they'll still elect the Republicans that screw them over.

Again
you screw with my working
I stated the SC said they did not have to comply


And the only ignorance I see here comes from anyone who would beleive anything this man or admin has to say
this same admin that cooked the employment numbers right before his re-election

In any event
Those that opted out are doing much better today because of solid leaderhsip and choices

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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And this is called "success?" More than 8 million people live in NYC. The greater Los Angeles area has 15 million people. The US population has about 318 million people.

2.2% of Americans have signed on. The promise was 30 million newly insured. The preojection was 26 million to remain uninsured.

Are we seeing 12 or 13% of the uninsured being newly insured touted as a success? Or are my numbers wrong?

+1

Midgets piss with greater affect than these stats!

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tkhayes

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Good for you. Now, what about those 40 or 50 million others that are uncovered? To take a left wing argument, you just expect them to die off without coverage or should another whole new health care law be passed to cover those whom this law was supposed to cover?

eventually more and more will be or get coverage. what about the millions and millions that would have been covered with health insurance except for the right-wing states that refused to participate?
The projections, originally, and still today, have years to come to completion....the deadline for 'everything' was not April 1.

No I do not expect them to 'die off'. The republican alternative is what? Nothing. repeal it? Sure, there's a 'die off' solution.

And I will bet you $100 that if the Republicans win the next election and even if they win majority control of house and senate, that they will NOT repeal it.

single payer. next step.

ABC reported that of those in the (reported) 7 million, as many as 70% would be those who lost coverage because of the ACA

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln