masterrig 1 #251 April 16, 2014 billvon>I heard today, that little soiree to take his cattle, thrown by the BLM cost in >excess of $900,000.00 paid for by us taxpayers. Still cheaper than the over 1 million in grazing fees he owes (which of course is adding to the amount we all have to pay.) So to all the people who were cheering this scofflaw on - congratulations, another million or so in debt. Sorry, I low-balled the figure. If you would, check Normiss' post in this thread. The cost to the BLM was closer to 3-mill. That was some return they got for their buck. Rather our tax payer dollars! No one has handed Bundy a bill and besides, he didn't tell them to take his cattle... the BLM just took them. How do you figure that 'we' are paying his grazing fees... you lost me with that one. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #252 April 16, 2014 masterrigIf you would, check Normiss' post in this thread. The cost to the BLM was closer to 3-mill. According to people who can not possibly know! Not in any way, shape or form.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #253 April 16, 2014 quade ***If you would, check Normiss' post in this thread. The cost to the BLM was closer to 3-mill. According to people who can not possibly know! Not in any way, shape or form. Well... who do you think would know? I'll be more than happy to check with them. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #254 April 16, 2014 masterrig Quote According to people who can not possibly know! Not in any way, shape or form. Well... who do you think would know? I'll be more than happy to check with them. OMB.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #255 April 16, 2014 quade *** Quote According to people who can not possibly know! Not in any way, shape or form. Well... who do you think would know? I'll be more than happy to check with them. OMB. God?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #256 April 16, 2014 turtlespeed ****** Quote According to people who can not possibly know! Not in any way, shape or form. Well... who do you think would know? I'll be more than happy to check with them. OMB. God? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wan2doit 6 #257 April 16, 2014 As sad as the Bundy's problems are, this EPA takeover of all watersheds/wetlands is much much worse for all of America's ranchers, agriculture and rural private property owners. http://growingfl.com/news/2014/04/op-ed-epas-proposed-water-rule-largest-land-grab-ever/?utm_source=Growing+Florida&utm_campaign=c03be9bdbe-growingfl-daily_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a00cf5c16f-c03be9bdbe-296613269 Sooner or later a revolution of some sort is coming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #258 April 16, 2014 wan2doitAs sad as the Bundy's problems are, this EPA takeover of all watersheds/wetlands is much much worse for all of America's ranchers, agriculture and rural private property owners. http://growingfl.com/news/2014/04/op-ed-epas-proposed-water-rule-largest-land-grab-ever/?utm_source=Growing+Florida&utm_campaign=c03be9bdbe-growingfl-daily_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a00cf5c16f-c03be9bdbe-296613269 Sooner or later a revolution of some sort is coming. And that is what the Tealaban is looking to incite. http://www.forwardprogressives.com/anti-government-militia-considered-using-women-human-shields/ But the shocking part of this whole story isn’t just Bundy’s anti-federal government ignorance, but a revelation that came to light when former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack was interviewed on Fox News. Mack revealed that he and others who had gone down to support Bundy had planned to use women as human shields against the Bureau of Land Management in case officers began shooting. Mack (who admits he sides with the tea party) said, “We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.” Tea Bagging Heros... hiding behind women and praying for the gubmint to martyr the women.. disgusting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #259 April 16, 2014 You are using the privilege of historical hindsight or put it another way...Monday Morning Quarterbacking. At the time of their "crimes" those cited weren't exactly considered to be societal heroes, cultural icons etc etc. With apologies to DeNiro..."Is that all you got?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #260 April 16, 2014 QuoteThen they need to get a warrant for 'failure to pay' or 'theft of service' or something and throw his ass in jail and throw away the key. Isn't that pretty much what's actually happening? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #261 April 16, 2014 QuoteSo a "hick cowboy" gives the finger to the Feds and how do they respond? They come in like a bunch of Spec Ops wannabes in their paramilitary garb, automatic weapons and snipers hidden in position and one of them has the temerity to tell one of the demonstrators that "We're here to keep you safe!" Good gawd give me break on that one. Happens in the inner-cities all the time. I don't see any militias standing up to protect them. Library books too late, swat team entry. Couple of plants in your house, swat team knocks in the front door. Etc. But those inner city folk don't really look American, so they are probably illegal anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #262 April 16, 2014 quade***Earlier in this thread, I suggested a visit from the feds... not an army but a couple agents but that was ruled out as being too costly. Not quite. You suggested that ONLY a face to face visit was required as if to suggest this entire thing could be avoided by two local BLM agents knocking on a door. I'm fairly certain that over the years this was part of the chain of escalation. You and others have also implied this "siege" was the first time the rancher had ever been made aware of the situation he had created by allowing his cattle to graze on public land without paying the accosted fees to to so. That is all nonsense whipped up into a right-wing militia frenzy by the family with the assistance of said same groups. wow... look who's been taking shit stirring lessons from Prof Kallend-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #263 April 16, 2014 This thread is amazing. Really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #264 April 16, 2014 normiss This thread is amazing. Really. yeah... he's right. drop this thread. Take the time you would have spent bickering here, and spend it learning about what else is going on in the world. (internationally or domestically, I don't care) I mean, you can only watch a train wreck for so long before it isn't interesting anymore.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #265 April 16, 2014 QuoteHappens in the inner-cities all the time. I don't see any militias standing up to protect them. Do you know who Al Sharpton is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #266 April 16, 2014 BoomerdogQuoteHappens in the inner-cities all the time. I don't see any militias standing up to protect them. Do you know who Al Sharpton is? Oh please tell me about the time he showed up armed with an AR-15 and put himself between the cops and the guy evicted from an apartment for being 20 years in due on his rent. Pretty please?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #267 April 16, 2014 DanGQuoteThen they need to get a warrant for 'failure to pay' or 'theft of service' or something and throw his ass in jail and throw away the key. Isn't that pretty much what's actually happening? I have neither heard on the news or read in the press any mention of a warrant being served... ever! References to court appearances, yes. Warrants... No. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #268 April 16, 2014 All Federal courts too, nothing in the local courts. Is that normal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #269 April 16, 2014 QuotePretty please? Uh no...the internet is rife with this guy's escapades so why don't you let your fingers do the typing and do the search yourself...I'm not here to spoon feed you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #270 April 16, 2014 SkyDekker Quote So a "hick cowboy" gives the finger to the Feds and how do they respond? They come in like a bunch of Spec Ops wannabes in their paramilitary garb, automatic weapons and snipers hidden in position and one of them has the temerity to tell one of the demonstrators that "We're here to keep you safe!" Good gawd give me break on that one. Happens in the inner-cities all the time. I don't see any militias standing up to protect them. Library books too late, swat team entry. Couple of plants in your house, swat team knocks in the front door. Etc. But those inner city folk don't really look American, so they are probably illegal anyways. No, because they either run like hell away or fall on the floor with their hands behind their head... they know the drill! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #271 April 16, 2014 Since it is a federal agency, yes, that is normal. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #272 April 16, 2014 Thanks Chuck. Not having had to deal with any Feds, I have no clue! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #273 April 16, 2014 Boomerdog Quote Pretty please? Uh no...the internet is rife with this guy's escapades so why don't you let your fingers do the typing and do the search yourself...I'm not here to spoon feed you! Former drug dealer who got religion! ...and all around counterfeit. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #274 April 16, 2014 You bet! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #275 April 16, 2014 Iago***QuoteHappens in the inner-cities all the time. I don't see any militias standing up to protect them. Do you know who Al Sharpton is? Isn't he that guy that owes like $1.3 Million in back taxes and DIDN'T have his house surrounded by snipers? What is the death toll up to of Law Enforcement on innocent citizens of color again?? http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/04/15/bundy_ranch_and_bureau_of_land_management_standoff_what_right_wingers_anger.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
