GeorgiaDon 362 #376 April 19, 2014 I don't know enough about the issue to have an opinion one way or the other right now. If I get time I'll do some reading. Let me ask you this question, though. As a matter of your personal perspective, do you agree that any habitat at all should be preserved in a natural condition (as much as is possible), or is it your opinion that all land should be accessible to motorized off-road vehicles, even if that renders that land uninhabitable for some species? I'm just trying to get a sense of whether or not any compromise is even possible in this situation. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #377 April 19, 2014 GeorgiaDon ****** Quote Reminds me of a local rancher I cowboyed for, for years. He has a degree in chemistry and mathematics, retired Border Patrol Agent, self-taught machinist with a full machine shop, can make just about anything and fix everything. He's a member of our local water board. Owns and flies his own plane and you name it. His son and I made a leap out of his plane and landed on the ranch just shy of the roping pen.Laugh His kind can be found throughout the agricultural community. Sounds like a wonderful neighborhood. My wife does _NOT_ allow me to use power tools. She's worried about innocent bystanders... Does that include sharp objects? ChuckI'm guessing chain saws are right out. Don Oh...absolutely!He is a good sport about it, though. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wan2doit 6 #378 April 19, 2014 Truth in advertising - I a hunter for 50 years here with and w/o ORVs mostly w/o and support ORV access in these type lands and have advocated heavily for that. These ORVs in the past sometimes in certain areas would run some open areas pretty flat but the areas would recover from hunt season to season pretty much. Admittedly it looked pretty bad on occassion to me and absolutely terrible to some on the other side of the fence. Over a long period of time and implementation of the ORV plan of 2000 in Big Cypress I grew to understand that we didn't need all of the 23,000 miles of trails (mostly one pass) that were documented to be there. On the other hand as per published demographics of ORVs in use the 23,000 miles of trails only impacted about 1 % of the 582,000 acres of the original Preserve which is actually large enough to absorb 2,416,000 miles of buggy/ATV tire tracks. When ORV access was limited by the 2000 record of decision to only 400 miles of primary trails that was unacceptable to the ORV community and still is even with some (maybe 60 miles) additional secondary trails still in use due to the FACA group's endeavors. Info - primary is a thru trail connected to other primaries and secondaries that originate from primaries are dead end for the most part - The cut from 23,000 down to 400 was a 98% reduction causing 5+ mile gaps between trails which made foot access to the interior of these gaps all but impossible for most folks (a denial of access to all Americans IMHO) and we believe they knew that. The big coincidence with a 400 mile trail system + some trails (50 miles or so) to private in holdings within a 900 square mile landscape is that it almost perfectly matched the max allowable trails /sq mi as per The Wildlands Project (TWP) which is 1/2 mile of trail/road per square mile. I have read the land management strategy for TWP authored by Reed Noss and possibly Michael Soule and have a copy of the original document distributed to 70,000 folks in government, colleges, environmental community etc. by the CENZOIC Society. David Foreman of Earth Firsat ran it in a special edition of his publication somewhere around 1993 not totally sure of year. The idea of a structured trail system is accepted by many including myself now but not one as restrictive as what has happened even if all the FACA groups trail recommendations were still in place which aren't. A truly functional trail system in this very swampy area needs 2000 or more miles of trails which don't look to be in the cards after 14 years of negotiating. One thing for sure is that one as meager as the one in hand will never be functional or bought into by those that use it. This pimple will keep growing and one day burst in a bad way IMHO. Having attended so many meetings I have actually had opportunities to sit at dinner at local restaurants in Everglades City Fl with extreme enviros and discussed these issues as calmly as possible. One night I asked a representative of the Nat Parks Consvtn Assoc NPCA a question - Why is it that after you and the other enviro groups successfully removed us from 22,600 miles of formerly legal ORV access trails that you can't seem to leave it at that + some secondary trails? He never really answered then I said "You must just be doing it for a paycheck and care less that you destroy a culture and many folks lives". He responded with a sheepish half smile of uneasiness. PS I didn't yell at him but wanted to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #379 April 19, 2014 We just got 30-minutes of high winds, 1" of rain and 2" of pea-sized hail! Just wanted to thank you for the good wishes for rain! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #380 April 20, 2014 I don't remember ordering the hail, but you're welcome for the rain . Don _____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #381 April 20, 2014 GeorgiaDon I don't remember ordering the hail, but you're welcome for the rain . Don The hail is O.K.! It was small and didn't hurt anything. It'll melt and soak into the ground. The ground was so dry and dusty, the rain cut deep ruts in the ground. I had to go out in it to get my horse and burro into the barn. The storm had them pretty shook-up. The winds were blowing 40 - 45 mph. It's been a long time since we've seen one like that. Bottom line... we got some moisture!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #382 April 20, 2014 Wan - please format your posts - basic paragraphs and line breaks make long posts readable. Your's aren't right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wan2doit 6 #383 April 20, 2014 kelpdiver your critique is appreciated. I usually do seperate paragraphs in other situations but for the life of me don't know why I didn't do that on these seige posts. I tried to edit them and after a bit of searching here found out [posts cannot be edited after 6 hours. Oh Well Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #384 April 20, 2014 All the talk of tortoises and conservation is not relevant. Bundy's claims have been dismissed by the courts repeatedly. "I believe this is a sovereign state of Nevada," Bundy said in a radio interview last Thursday. "I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing." Not only is this an idiotic position, Bundy's position directly contradicts Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution, whose laws he claims to abide by: All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wan2doit 6 #385 April 20, 2014 True, I was just trying to demonstrate how other actions by Federal authorities are irritating many folks in a somewhat serious manner. I do recall apologizing in advance if I was straying too far off topic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #386 April 20, 2014 Here's is an interesting article fowarded to me: Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone Technical Note 444 Very interesting phrase jumped out at me in the Abstract section: Quote The “Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone” presents a strategy for compensating for the unavoidable impacts that are expected from the development of the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone (SEZ) in southern Nevada. Unavoidable??? Still reading through this 86 page document.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #387 April 20, 2014 Um . . . did you miss this part? Quotein southern Nevada You might want to look up where old Bundy's ranch is located.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 7 #388 April 20, 2014 quadeUm . . . did you miss this part? Quotein southern Nevada You might want to look up where old Bundy's ranch is located. Shush now. Exact position be damned. It is in Nevada. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #389 April 21, 2014 Quote You might want to look up where old Bundy's ranch is located. I realize they aren't the same, and really shouldn't have posted that remark in this thread. FYI. The intent was to point out the BLM's use of the phrase "unavoidable"... and, what appears to be it's casual use wrto solar farms.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #390 April 21, 2014 Came across this picture today. Sums up things pretty well, IMO. Should be attached.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #391 April 21, 2014 StreetScoobyCame across this picture today. Sums up things pretty well, IMO. Should be attached. So you believe that two wrongs really do make a right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #392 April 21, 2014 kallend***Came across this picture today. Sums up things pretty well, IMO. Should be attached. So you believe that two wrongs really do make a right. again as soon as I see you and the other Obama supporters here say the same about the Obama admin breaking the law when they rewrite law, (IE the ACA) then you have a right to bitch Until then....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #393 April 21, 2014 StreetScoobyCame across this picture today. Sums up things pretty well, IMO. Should be attached. Extremely good summary!!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #394 April 21, 2014 kallend, as we've discussed many times in this forum already, you have clearly proven that you are not worth my time or effort. For such a "successful professor", I have yet to learn anything from you. All you have done in any discussion I've had with you is heap abuse and PAs, and the moderators allow you to do that to not only me, but many others here. Not only do you do this in this forum, but you have the same reputation in other forums (such as aircraft pilots). Yes, many years ago, I actually took the time to check you out. Don't ever bother replying to another of my posts. I see you as a worthless participant in any thread I'm involved with. This will be the last time I respond to you.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #395 April 21, 2014 StreetScoobyCame across this picture today. Sums up things pretty well, IMO. Should be attached. Apples and Squash comparisons ... really?? So you support ALL preachers and churches to pay taxes???? That is good to know. I wonder if Sharpton has ever had a bunch of supporters with shootin irons pointed at LEO...nah didn't happen because I do not think they would live. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #396 April 22, 2014 rushmc***Came across this picture today. Sums up things pretty well, IMO. Should be attached. Extremely good summary!!!! Or not. As I just replied to the same posting in the other thread, Al says he has a repayment plan with the IRS. Lacking any evidence to the contrary, I can only conclude that this is correct and the reason why the IRS isn't surrounding his 'non profit.' Rather than refuse to talk or acknowledge the debt, he has made arrangements. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #397 April 22, 2014 Quote Al says he has a repayment plan... Please don't tell me that is your source... You strike me as a thoughtful person. Please, don't tell me that is your source.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #398 April 22, 2014 Does he owe all in fees or is some/most of it fines? Every story is different I gave up trying to guess who was telling the truth That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #399 April 22, 2014 My take on this is a bit beyond the immediate issue being discussed. IMO, this is yet another unbridled attempt by the current administration to exert power. The folks currently in power in Washington seem to think they are best prepared to live all of our lives. I have never seen such blatant abuse in my life. From government statistics, to the EPA, to the "Justice" department's decisions, and now to the BLM, and more. The list has become endless. Everyday seems to be another crisis that deflects from this administration's failures. Even worse, IMO, is that the current Washington folks aren't really the problem. It's reached the point where I see the problem as being those people who continue to vote to keep them in power. It is simply unsustainable.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #400 April 22, 2014 StreetScoobyQuote Al says he has a repayment plan... Please don't tell me that is your source... You strike me as a thoughtful person. Please, don't tell me that is your source. My question is, has that former drug dealing, counterfeit preacher made a payment, yet? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
