SkyDekker 1,465 #76 May 1, 2014 QuoteSo speech has both monetary and social consequences Yes it does, shouldn't really come as a huge surprise for most adults. Oh, and he is still part of the club. He owns it. He is also not banned from basketball. He is free to start his own basketball league. He is however part of a joint venture, and his words have cause his partners in that joint venture to take action, specifically because his words could lead to significant losses for the other partners in the joint venture. This also explains why players using racial slurs are not handled the same way. The monetary impact to the joint venture and its partners is not the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #77 May 1, 2014 >Political correctness is the way to stop free speech Sounds like he was perfectly free to say what he said. Sounds like the NBA was perfectly free to ban him from their league. Don't you just hate freedom? If only you could legislate what people say and do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #78 May 1, 2014 billvon>Political correctness is the way to stop free speech Sounds like he was perfectly free to say what he said. Sounds like the NBA was perfectly free to ban him from their league. Don't you just hate freedom? If only you could legislate what people say and do. As was pointed out in an interesting article in The Atlantic, Sterling's problem isn't that he is a racist, it's that he is an oafish racist. Elegant racists conceal their racism behind proposals like poll taxes, voter ID laws, etc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #79 May 1, 2014 SkyDekkerQuoteSo speech has both monetary and social consequences Yes it does, shouldn't really come as a huge surprise for most adults. I'm not surprised at the hypocrisy of society when it comes to the discrimination of disabled people... http://nypost.com/2014/04/28/shaq-under-fire-for-mocking-disabled-fans-selfie/ Quote“I’ve been getting teased since I was yay (sic) tall. People laugh at me, stare at me,” Binion said. “I was kind of hurt because I’ve always looked up to him. I’ve watched Shaq play basketball since I was (inaudible), so I was like, why are you making fun of me? He is supposed to be this role model.” Now that's what I call Oafish...Shaq publicly mocks one of his disabled fans by posting a disfigured selfie of his own, and yet I still have to see his fat overgrown face in almost every other TV commercial? ...And he still gets to keep his TV shows? Not sure why he has a TV show in the first place...his hosting skills are about has bad as his free throw percentage. btw, I only brought this up because I just saw a Shaq commercial and thought about your post...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #80 May 1, 2014 QuoteI'm not surprised at the hypocrisy of society when it comes to the discrimination of disabled people... That doesn't mean society is hypocritical. Since society is not one big homogenous blob of groupthink I'm not sure society can ever be hypocritical. Half of (voting) society elected Obama, the other half thinks he's the antichrist. Is that hypocritical? QuoteNow that's what I call Oafish...Shaq publicly mocks one of his disabled fans by posting a disfigured selfie of his own, and yet I still have to see his fat overgrown face in almost every other TV commercial? ...And he still gets to keep his TV shows? The NBA sanctioned Sterling, but the NBA couldn't take away a Shaq's TV show even if they wanted to, they're not involved.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #81 May 1, 2014 As long as this stays inside the NBA, I don't give a damn whether Sterling keeps or loses this team. Unless some people are desperate to be involved in the NBA as players, coaches or support staff, who will want to work for Don Sterling after this. But if the "Thought Police" start using this as a stepping stone precedence towards going after more people who offend them, well then we have a serious problem brewing. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #82 May 1, 2014 jakeeQuoteI'm not surprised at the hypocrisy of society when it comes to the discrimination of disabled people... That doesn't mean society is hypocritical. Since society is not one big homogenous blob of groupthink I'm not sure society can ever be hypocritical. Half of (voting) society elected Obama, the other half thinks he's the antichrist. Is that hypocritical? The general populous is outraged at some unknown rich racist for his private comments that have been made public. He is banned, fined and flushed down the toilet...ok, I get that. Shaq singles out a disabled fan and publicly humiliates him simply because of a disfigurement out of his control...Shaq get's a slap on the wrist...ok, I don't get that. Where's the social outrage that would make networks/advertisers can his endorsements and TV shows? Is having racist views worse than what Shaq actually did?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #83 May 1, 2014 Was it social outrage that caused the NBA to sanction Sterling? Do that many people really care?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #84 May 1, 2014 >Is having racist views worse than what Shaq actually did? Both are pretty bad. Stupid move on Shaq's part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #85 May 1, 2014 jakeeWas it social outrage that caused the NBA to sanction Sterling? I'm inclined to believe it was PR damage control. If this was something only known to a handful of NBA officials/owners, I think they would feel that it's in everybody's best interest to keep it quiet. jakeeDo that many people really care? It was a big deal over here...it played out on probably every news network and many talk shows....there were threats of boycotts and the president even made a statement. There is no more room for racism in this country anymore, and that point was made perfectly clear. I just wonder if those who were laughing at Shaq's mockery on Instagram were the same ones shouting for Sterling's head...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #86 May 1, 2014 billvon>Is having racist views worse than what Shaq actually did? Both are pretty bad. Stupid move on Shaq's part. Ya, and being from Detroit I like the fact that he endorsed Oldsmobile...oh well. Never liked his TV shows or hosting tho...good time to get rid of him.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #87 May 1, 2014 CanuckInUSA Unless some people are desperate to be involved in the NBA as players, coaches or support staff, who will want to work for Don Sterling after this.. Hey, I'll go work for the man if he pays a fair wage. I think basketball is a boring pussy sport, though cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #88 May 3, 2014 kallendSterling's problem isn't that he is a racist, it's that he is an oafish racist. Elegant racists conceal their racism Real racism is quiet, it's subtle...people look around first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nN9hy4YNIv0#t=121Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #89 May 5, 2014 QuoteI'm inclined to believe it was PR damage control. I am inclined to believe it was to protect monetary interests. players had made noises they would possibly not play, or delay playing. Sponsors were possibly looking at cancelling contracts with the NBA if this wasn't handled to their satisfaction. Views of an owner making money of a sport, which is predominantly black, conjures up thoughts of plantation owners. The optics are different from Shaq making stupid comments. That doesn't make it right, it does explain why you cannot compare the two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #90 May 10, 2014 SkyDekkerQuoteI'm inclined to believe it was PR damage control. I am inclined to believe it was to protect monetary interests. players had made noises they would possibly not play, or delay playing. Sponsors were possibly looking at cancelling contracts with the NBA if this wasn't handled to their satisfaction. Views of an owner making money of a sport, which is predominantly black, conjures up thoughts of plantation owners. The optics are different from Shaq making stupid comments. That doesn't make it right, it does explain why you cannot compare the two. Yet you compare slavery to the NBA? If Fredrick Douglas only had to work every other day for 8 months out of the year for a 100 million dollar contract you still wouldn't have made your case... This isn't about Sterling, Shaq, the NBA nor Shaq's advertisers...I'm sorry you missed the point - just like the rest of this cuntry...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #92 May 10, 2014 normissClassy. Truth isn't always classy.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #94 May 12, 2014 normissTruth??? WTF??? Well, Mark...what was it about my post that you found to be untruthful? Was it the part where I pointed out the absurdity of comparing the NBA to slavery? Please try to articulate your thoughts with more than a single word and acrimonious abbreviations, because I have no idea wtf your problem is...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #95 May 12, 2014 Coreece***Truth??? WTF??? Well, Mark...what was it about my post that you found to be untruthful? Was it the part where I pointed out the absurdity of comparing the NBA to slavery? Please try to articulate your thoughts with more than a single word and acrimonious abbreviations, because I have no idea wtf your problem is... I think it's probably where you called it a "cuntry". Spelling matters.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #96 May 12, 2014 Hence the reference to class. Or a lack thereof. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #97 May 12, 2014 normiss Hence the reference to class. Or a lack thereof. Glass house, meet stone: normiss I'm sorry the rude cunt disliked my companies' plan, but I LOVE it. normiss I must apologize for not communicating my points worth a damn lately. The noise level of bickering for no reason other than to bicker is starting to get to me. After a right cunt attacked me for my choices in healthcare and employment, I was pretty much over it. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #98 May 12, 2014 I was referring to bitch ex-girlfriend who was a right cunt to my wife. I was not assaulting the populace. I'll never understand christians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #99 May 12, 2014 QuoteI was referring to bitch ex-girlfriend who was a right cunt to my wife. And you think that is classy? I'll never understand you...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #100 May 12, 2014 QuoteI'll never understand christians. They taste like chicken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
