Coreece 190 #26 April 30, 2014 QuoteOver 230,000 guns are stolen every year, every one of them by a criminal. Are some these criminals hunters with clean criminal records that decided to snatch a hunting rifle sitting in the bed of someone's truck?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #27 April 30, 2014 kawisixer01*** Given the ease with which cars can be entered and stolen, I consider it incredibly STUPID to store anything valuable in a car, and especially so in the case of a firearm. Over 230,000 guns are stolen every year, every one of them by a criminal. Not a bit easier to get into than the average home. I would in fact say a car is MUCH harder to break into than a home. Car windows are safety glass that is very hard to break compared to the windows of a home. Hell the walls of most new homes is nothing but styrafoam covered siding that you could kick through. A spring loaded center punch, $14.97 from Home Depot will make short work of a tempered glass car window. www.youtube.com/watch?v=si9GsqSpxhA... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #28 April 30, 2014 CoreeceQuoteOver 230,000 guns are stolen every year, every one of them by a criminal. Are some these criminals hunters with clean criminal records that decided to snatch a hunting rifle sitting in the bed of someone's truck? People who steal things are called "criminals". Over 230,000 guns enter the hands of criminals from so-called "law abiding gun owners" every year.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #29 April 30, 2014 kallend***QuoteOver 230,000 guns are stolen every year, every one of them by a criminal. Are some these criminals hunters with clean criminal records that decided to snatch a hunting rifle sitting in the bed of someone's truck? People who steal things are called "criminals". Over 230,000 guns enter the hands of criminals from so-called "law abiding gun owners" every year. Yes, it's unfortunate. In your opinion, should non-violent misdemeanor crimes (theft, DUI) be a reason to deny someone the right to own a gun after they have served their time?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #30 April 30, 2014 Coreece******QuoteOver 230,000 guns are stolen every year, every one of them by a criminal. Are some these criminals hunters with clean criminal records that decided to snatch a hunting rifle sitting in the bed of someone's truck? People who steal things are called "criminals". Over 230,000 guns enter the hands of criminals from so-called "law abiding gun owners" every year. Yes, it's unfortunate. In your opinion, should non-violent misdemeanor crimes (theft, DUI) be a reason to deny someone the right to own a gun after they have served their time? It seems that you are OK with the idea of criminals having guns during the commission of a crime.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #31 April 30, 2014 kallend*********QuoteOver 230,000 guns are stolen every year, every one of them by a criminal. Are some these criminals hunters with clean criminal records that decided to snatch a hunting rifle sitting in the bed of someone's truck? People who steal things are called "criminals". Over 230,000 guns enter the hands of criminals from so-called "law abiding gun owners" every year. Yes, it's unfortunate. In your opinion, should non-violent misdemeanor crimes (theft, DUI) be a reason to deny someone the right to own a gun after they have served their time? It seems that you are OK with the idea of criminals having guns during the commission of a crime. Just saying that there is a difference between a felonious thug stealing a handgun in Chicagoland and a hunter in with a clean record stealing a hunting rifle in Harrisburg. Now, misdemeanor theft is not currently a reason for someone to be denied access to a gun. Now I think that if there was a law stating that misdemeanor theft of any gun could result in the denial of your right to own a gun, then maybe that would at least deter legal gun owners from stealing...not so much with the felons.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 846 #32 April 30, 2014 Spark plugs are much cheaper My apologies for finding an idiot video, but it does show how the ceramic works. "I don't get it!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 846 #33 April 30, 2014 I thought people who steal are thieves, if and when they are caught and successfully convicted, then they have become criminals. No? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #34 April 30, 2014 One option is to get a steal cable and thread that through your firearm, and lock it to the seat frame. Similiar to locking up a bike...... Then cover the firearm with something. This isn't perfect but it would deter many thieves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #35 April 30, 2014 There are lots of options, here's one manufacturer's take. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #36 May 1, 2014 normissI thought people who steal are thieves, if and when they are caught and successfully convicted, then they have become criminals. No? Those who commit crimes are criminals, just like those who skydive are skydivers and those who drive are drivers even if they don't have a license. crim·i·nal ˈkrimənl/ noun 1. a person who has committed a crime.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 846 #37 May 1, 2014 Semantics again. Your favorite. Need the conviction to prove the crime, prior to that point you are simply suspected of, accused of, or charged with the crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #38 May 1, 2014 normissSemantics again. Your favorite. Need the conviction to prove the crime, prior to that point you are simply suspected of, accused of, or charged with the crime. Uhm no. You don't need a conviction to prove a crime. You need a conviction to prove somebody committed a crime and that person can be sentenced. A crime is a crime, whether somebody gets convicted of committing the crime or not. In other words: if a murder goes unresolved, a crime has still taken place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kawisixer01 0 #39 May 1, 2014 livendiveThere are lots of options, here's one manufacturer's take. Blues, Dave Exactly the same as what I use. I run the cable down to something strong, typically the seat mount or framework. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #40 May 1, 2014 kawisixer01***There are lots of options, here's one manufacturer's take. Blues, Dave Exactly the same as what I use. I run the cable down to something strong, typically the seat mount or framework. reasonably priced alsoYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #41 May 1, 2014 normissSemantics again. Your favorite. Need the conviction to prove the crime, prior to that point you are simply suspected of, accused of, or charged with the crime. Funny how people who misuse words cry "semantics" when they are shown to be wrong. Like it suddenly erases their error. Criminals are people who commit crimes. People who steal guns are criminals. Whether or not a conviction can be obtained doesn't change the crime or its perpetrator. That is all there is to it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 846 #42 May 1, 2014 More of a perspective issue vs. right or wrong. I have a close friend that is a criminal defense attorney. He'd argue this one with you for years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 May 1, 2014 SkyDekker In other words: if a murder goes unresolved, a crime has still taken place. but until you're convicted, Skydekker didn't commit the crime. In America, at least. How does it work in Canada? Apparently, Egypt takes a different route. Sentenced 800 people to death earlier in the week. If you turn yourself in for trial, it may be overturned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #44 May 1, 2014 normissI have a close friend that is a criminal defense attorney. He'd argue this one with you for years. Pretty much because that's what lawyers do; make semantic arguments to confuse, confound and wear their opponents into submission. They dual wield precision and ambiguity as weapons. It's a strategy. It has nothing to do with they, or their clients, actually being right. http://nyti.ms/1hEu3qHquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 846 #45 May 1, 2014 "More of a perspective issue vs. right or wrong. " agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #46 May 1, 2014 SkyDekker***Semantics again. Your favorite. Need the conviction to prove the crime, prior to that point you are simply suspected of, accused of, or charged with the crime. Uhm no. You don't need a conviction to prove a crime. You need a conviction to prove somebody committed a crime and that person can be sentenced. A crime is a crime, whether somebody gets convicted of committing the crime or not. In other words: if a murder goes unresolved, a crime has still taken place. I won't claim semantics here... How about pedantry?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #47 May 1, 2014 rhaig******Semantics again. Your favorite. Need the conviction to prove the crime, prior to that point you are simply suspected of, accused of, or charged with the crime. Uhm no. You don't need a conviction to prove a crime. You need a conviction to prove somebody committed a crime and that person can be sentenced. A crime is a crime, whether somebody gets convicted of committing the crime or not. In other words: if a murder goes unresolved, a crime has still taken place. I won't claim semantics here... How about pedantry? OK, so it's pedantic to claim that someone who steals your gun isn't a criminal. Apparently some people here think thieves are law abiding citizens.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 846 #48 May 1, 2014 The "law" does consider you a law abiding citizen right up until you're convicted of a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #49 May 1, 2014 Amazing how every single topic in here is fair game for a douchy pissing match. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #50 May 1, 2014 normiss The "law" does consider you a law abiding citizen right up until you're convicted of a crime. That is a different issue altogether. If someone breaks into your house and steals your gun, TV, computer, etc., are they abiding by the law?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
