Andy9o8 2
kallend 2,027
jgoose71
As far as the execution, my OP was accurate. We know the drugs they were using and they have been used successfully in the past.
Not true. The "cocktail" being used has not been properly tested and its source is kept secret. The whole affair is DISGUSTING, as are those who support it.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Channman 2
kallend***
As far as the execution, my OP was accurate. We know the drugs they were using and they have been used successfully in the past.
Not true. The "cocktail" being used has not been properly tested and its source is kept secret. The whole affair is DISGUSTING, as are those who support it.
Just because I support the Death Penalty doesn't make me disgusting. I'm a rather Cool Dude so I'm told.
In any case, I'm sure they will get it right next time.
Coreece 190
I erased my post for too much thread drift...I'll bring it up at a better time.
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kallend
Oklahoma botches an execution.
www.nytimes.com/2014/04/30/us/oklahoma-executions.html?_r=0
An embarrassment in front of the civilized world. Why do these states insist on keeping company with Iran, N. Korea and the PRC?
Ah just more fun from the Immoral Majority in following their pro-life tennants and the flawed interpretations of the teachings of the christian church. WWJD
BIGUN 1,318
kallend***
As far as the execution, my OP was accurate. We know the drugs they were using and they have been used successfully in the past.
Not true. The "cocktail" being used has not been properly tested and its source is kept secret. The whole affair is DISGUSTING, as are those who support it.
Just think of it as retroactive abortion and you'll be OK with it.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
Andy9o8***[Reply]Not to mention when was the last time we hung someone from a crane in the town square?
This is what also find irritating. It's like comparing lettuce and poison oak. No, the US doesn't machine gun people accused of a wrong on a public street. Or stoned to death. There is a semblance of due process here.
"Here", as in: IN America; but not necessarily BY America. Apologies for the thread drift, but: consider the not-insignificant numbers of (mostly brownish) civilians killed by American drones and bombs in other (mostly brownish) countries. Yes, it's a bit of a tangent, but it certainly clutters-up the moral high ground, don'it?
I fully agree. America's high ground has been eroded. To the point where assassinating Bin Laden (with a unilateral act of war) is crowed about and cheered. No due process for "terrorists."
We are in agreement here.
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jgoose71 0
lawrocket******[Reply]Not to mention when was the last time we hung someone from a crane in the town square?
This is what also find irritating. It's like comparing lettuce and poison oak. No, the US doesn't machine gun people accused of a wrong on a public street. Or stoned to death. There is a semblance of due process here.
"Here", as in: IN America; but not necessarily BY America. Apologies for the thread drift, but: consider the not-insignificant numbers of (mostly brownish) civilians killed by American drones and bombs in other (mostly brownish) countries. Yes, it's a bit of a tangent, but it certainly clutters-up the moral high ground, don'it?
I fully agree. America's high ground has been eroded. To the point where assassinating Bin Laden (with a unilateral act of war) is crowed about and cheered. No due process for "terrorists."
We are in agreement here.
Not to state the obvious, but we kind of are in the middle of a war. Usually I agree with you but you almost make is sound like we should hold a trail before every operation into a war zone.
For the record, we do now have lawyers that vet every operation going on in the war zone....
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jgoose71 0
kallend***
As far as the execution, my OP was accurate. We know the drugs they were using and they have been used successfully in the past.
Not true. The "cocktail" being used has not been properly tested and its source is kept secret. The whole affair is DISGUSTING, as are those who support it.
Not true? You must have a reading comprehension problem. The drug cocktail has been used in the past! The lawsuit was about the source. The source has been kept secret because vendors have stopped selling if they find out their drugs are being used for executions.
It's not like we perform so many executions here in the U.S. that we will deprive them of millions of dollars in profit, so this is an issue they can take the moral high ground on.
"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything
Life, the Universe, and Everything
Coreece 190
AmazonWWJD
One might say that He would condemn a baby rapist/murder to Hell if said baby rapist/murderer didn't accept His saving grace.
...but then of course, if he did accept His saving grace, many would scoff at the idea that such a baby rapist/murderer could spend eternity in Heaven with the baby he raped and murdered.
Ah...the mystical wonders of moralism.
The Deadly Dangers of Moralism
The link is not directly related to the death penalty, but it's an excellent read when people have the time...I think it puts things into perspective and clarifies many issues.
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billvon 2,998
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>Jesus Christ, is it so difficult to strap them to a chair
>and use a humain killer (read cattle ) to the back of the head.
>It could be remotely controlled and being punched directly
>into the cerebellum
Cattle tool repurposed and operated by remote control instead of a trigger, attached to a chair instead of being handheld. No way to botch that, no sirree. And if you add a vial of acid that pours on his head when a bird signs, said bird trained to sing only if the guy is still talking after the first attempt, then you'd have a 100% reliable backup to the 100% reliable first method.
>and use a humain killer (read cattle ) to the back of the head.
>It could be remotely controlled and being punched directly
>into the cerebellum
Cattle tool repurposed and operated by remote control instead of a trigger, attached to a chair instead of being handheld. No way to botch that, no sirree. And if you add a vial of acid that pours on his head when a bird signs, said bird trained to sing only if the guy is still talking after the first attempt, then you'd have a 100% reliable backup to the 100% reliable first method.
kallend 2,027
jgoose71******
As far as the execution, my OP was accurate. We know the drugs they were using and they have been used successfully in the past.
Not true. The "cocktail" being used has not been properly tested and its source is kept secret. The whole affair is DISGUSTING, as are those who support it.
Not true? You must have a reading comprehension problem. The drug cocktail has been used in the past! The lawsuit was about the source. The source has been kept secret because vendors have stopped selling if they find out their drugs are being used for executions.
You don't know that because the stuff is obtained from an unknown source, probably a "compounding pharmacy", that is not subject to the same quality control regulation as a FDA qualified pharmaceutical company.
All you have is the word of the same folks who botched up the process.
Edited to add: The state ADMITS it is used a "cocktail" not previously used in executions, with the drugs obtained in secrecy.
DISGUSTING.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
jgoose71 0
You are arguing that because you don't know who made the compounds, you don't know what's in it.
The courts have already shot down your argument.
The courts have already shot down your argument.
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base283 0
Quote(private, no observers would be the way to go - it's carrying out a sentence, not putting on a show)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
Though I am against the death penalty, I think if a government is going to do it, it should be public. Otherwise it is pointless.
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tkhayes 348
QuoteROFLMAO!
Is THAT all you got?
given your comments, that is all he needs.
tkhayes 348
QuoteNo due process for "terrorists."
agreed, and we cannot even decide in many cases if they are in fact terrorists, so we simply hold them in limbo forever with no due process.....actually no process at all.
airdvr 210
Jeez John, from the headline I thought you were talking about the current administration. 
Please don't dent the planet.
Destinations by Roxanne
Destinations by Roxanne
tkhayesQuoteNo due process for "terrorists."
agreed, and we cannot even decide in many cases if they are in fact terrorists, so we simply hold them in limbo forever with no due process.....actually no process at all.
If you give habeas corpus the terrorists win.
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kallend 2,027
jgoose71You are arguing that because you don't know who made the compounds, you don't know what's in it.
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YOU don't know what's in it, so it's YOUR claim that it's tested and has been shown to work satisfactorily that is false, because:
1. You can't possibly know that.
2. OK has admitted that it used it for the first time.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,027
lawrocket***
QuoteNo due process for "terrorists."
agreed, and we cannot even decide in many cases if they are in fact terrorists, so we simply hold them in limbo forever with no due process.....actually no process at all.
If you give habeas corpus the terrorists win.
Disagree. If you violate the Constitution, the terrorists win.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
jgoose71 0
kallend***You are arguing that because you don't know who made the compounds, you don't know what's in it.
.
YOU don't know what's in it, so it's YOUR claim that it's tested and has been shown to work satisfactorily that is false, because:
1. You can't possibly know that.
2. OK has admitted that it used it for the first time.
When you quoted me you conveniently left out the part about how the courts have shot down your argument...
"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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SkyDekker 1,465
jgoose71******You are arguing that because you don't know who made the compounds, you don't know what's in it.
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YOU don't know what's in it, so it's YOUR claim that it's tested and has been shown to work satisfactorily that is false, because:
1. You can't possibly know that.
2. OK has admitted that it used it for the first time.
When you quoted me you conveniently left out the part about how the courts have shot down your argument...
The courts also said that OJ Simpson was not-guilty.
There is very little regulation governing compounding pharmacies. So, while you may know what substance you are supposedly buying, you don't really have any level of comfort that is the substance you are actually getting.
kallend 2,027
jgoose71******You are arguing that because you don't know who made the compounds, you don't know what's in it.
.
YOU don't know what's in it, so it's YOUR claim that it's tested and has been shown to work satisfactorily that is false, because:
1. You can't possibly know that.
2. OK has admitted that it used it for the first time.
When you quoted me you conveniently left out the part about how the courts have shot down your argument...
Irrelevant. No court has evaluated that particular SECRET cocktail for effectiveness or compliance with the 8th Amendment.
Lockett died after spending 45 minutes writhing in pain from an experimental drug cocktail that had been secretly obtained by state officials and not evaluated by medical professionals.
Contrary to your claims.
The entire affair is a disgusting affront to basic human decency, and puts the USA in the same camp as N. Korea and Iran.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Coreece 190
Has anybody else noticed the peculiarity of this incident given the prior events surrounding this case with regard to Oklahoma’s supplier-secrecy law?
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This is what also find irritating. It's like comparing lettuce and poison oak. No, the US doesn't machine gun people accused of a wrong on a public street. Or stoned to death. There is a semblance of due process here.
"Here", as in: IN America; but not necessarily BY America. Apologies for the thread drift, but: consider the not-insignificant numbers of (mostly brownish) civilians killed by American drones and bombs in other (mostly brownish) countries. Yes, it's a bit of a tangent, but it certainly clutters-up the moral high ground, don'it?