Possible life sentence for pot brownies

[kelpdiver 2]

Andy9o8

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So I used the qualifier "seems."

I wasn't really thinking about that, just pointing out that this is a classic example of how the end result is counter-intuitive to logic - a result so often the case in US drugs laws. A similar example would be how many (most?) US states' laws penalize crack cocaine much more harshly than for equal-weight amounts of powdered cocaine.

I also have little doubt of the class based reasons for that distinction. But on the subject of over weighing, I was thinking back to LSD and the blotter paper. The two are combined, which easily passes the quantity into the felony category, but I'm unsure of the relative weights for those as well, and LSD isn't legal in any capacity.

[jakee 1,563]

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your memory is slightly cloudy, but let's move forward:

Nope. You said people were being poisoned to death with marijuana and tried to prove it with stories about people not dying. But anyway.

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http://denver.cbslocal.com/...s-about-pot-edibles/

There is nothing in there that relates to ODing, unless you count being sleepy.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

jakee

There is nothing in there that relates to ODing, unless you count being sleepy.

it's a spectacular case of denial and missing the point you have going, jake. But hey, if you're fine dead people and stoned kids, you can work on the next campaign in California, convincing the non smoking no votes that killed it last time that there's no reason for concern.

[freethefly 6]

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if you're fine dead people and stoned kids,

Then, maybe, it's time to outlaw alcohol as well. Alcohol being one of the first drug people try and being a major contributor to work place accidents, roadway accidents, violent crime, spousal abuse, sexual assault, child abuse, missed work days, early death... hell this list can go on and on.

Alcohol has killed millions. Marijuana has killed zero. In the article where the man shot his wife, they briefly stated that he was eating painkillers. Yet, the focus was primarily on marijuana. Hmmmm, mixing powerful painkillers with marijuana.

Seems to me that that this person shucked responsibility by ingesting painkillers and marijuana. Blaming this solely on marijuana? What a cop out. He knowingly ingested powerful painkillers with another drug. He is solely responsible for what he did.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[jakee 1,563]

kelpdiver

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There is nothing in there that relates to ODing, unless you count being sleepy.

it's a spectacular case of denial and missing the point

Denial of what? You mentioned ODing in your first post. Do you have any examples of anyone ODing? No-one's arguing that pot doesn't impair judgement - but getting stoned and doing something fatal isn't an OD.

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But hey, if you're fine dead people and stoned kids,

If you're OK with alcohol being legal then you're already totally fine with dead children, maimed children and brain damaged children on a far greater scale. You heartless bastard!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

jakee

Denial of what? You mentioned ODing in your first post. Do you have any examples of anyone ODing? No-one's arguing that pot doesn't impair judgement - but getting stoned and doing something fatal isn't an OD.

Alright, if you insist on playing this retarded game, let's review:

"But we're only a few months into 2014 and there have been multiple incidents around the baked stuff where you can easily overconsume."

Suck it.

[JohnnyMarko 1]

kelpdiver

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Denial of what? You mentioned ODing in your first post. Do you have any examples of anyone ODing? No-one's arguing that pot doesn't impair judgement - but getting stoned and doing something fatal isn't an OD.

Alright, if you insist on playing this retarded game, let's review:

"But we're only a few months into 2014 and there have been multiple incidents around the baked stuff where you can easily overconsume."

Suck it.

Perpetuating the game...but I think he means OD directly from weed...not get high and jump off a fucking building, not get high and walk into traffic, not get high and shoot your wife in front of your kids (I hate that story, don't look it up), but get high and pass out on your couch and die

[jakee 1,563]

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Alright, if you insist on playing this retarded game, let's review:

"But we're only a few months into 2014 and there have been multiple incidents around the baked stuff where you can easily overconsume."

Suck it.

Yes, it's well known that the word "but" means that the following statement is not connected to the previous statement in any way. Ask any english grammarian

Bend over and take it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

JohnnyMarko

Perpetuating the game...but I think he means OD directly from weed...not get high and jump off a fucking building, not get high and walk into traffic, not get high and shoot your wife in front of your kids (I hate that story, don't look it up), but get high and pass out on your couch and die

Oh, no doubt that's what he means, but what's gone over his head is that the people opposed to saner pot laws don't give a fuck if the person directly overdosed, or if they hurt themselves in their impaired state. The end result is the same. The cause is still the same. Likewise, few people die from alcohol poisoning. Tens of thousands die from their actions in that state.

Is it irrational to accept that alcohol carnage (133 deaths in CO in a single year), yet continue to ban pot because of a much smaller number of incidents? Of course. But one thing that the movement had going for it was a death rate that was pretty much zero, at least aside from the crime elements of the illegal trade, and some problems around robberies at the medical pot distributors. That disappeared in a hurry.

I can see the TV ads already - little 8yo Suzie comes home and sees a plate of attractive looking brownies on the counter top.

Edibles have long been an essential need for the medical patients, but I can see an outcome (compromise, potentially, in some states) where they won't be saleable items, and people must buy weed and prepare it themselves.

[JohnnyMarko 1]

kelpdiver

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Perpetuating the game...but I think he means OD directly from weed...not get high and jump off a fucking building, not get high and walk into traffic, not get high and shoot your wife in front of your kids (I hate that story, don't look it up), but get high and pass out on your couch and die

Oh, no doubt that's what he means, but what's gone over his head is that the people opposed to saner pot laws don't give a fuck if the person directly overdosed, or if they hurt themselves in their impaired state. The end result is the same. The cause is still the same. Likewise, few people die from alcohol poisoning. Tens of thousands die from their actions in that state.

Is it irrational to accept that alcohol carnage (133 deaths in CO in a single year), yet continue to ban pot because of a much smaller number of incidents? Of course. But one thing that the movement had going for it was a death rate that was pretty much zero, at least aside from the crime elements of the illegal trade, and some problems around robberies at the medical pot distributors. That disappeared in a hurry.

I can see the TV ads already - little 8yo Suzie comes home and sees a plate of attractive looking brownies on the counter top.

Edibles have long been an essential need for the medical patients, but I can see an outcome (compromise, potentially, in some states) where they won't be saleable items, and people must buy weed and prepare it themselves.

Gosh I hope not...already enough dumbasses blowing up the neighborhood trying to go all "Breaking Bad" with hash oil.

[rehmwa 2]

kelpdiver

Edibles have long been an essential need for the medical patients,

I think the 'medical need' is a distraction here.

If 'MEDICAL' was the main reason to legalize, then pot would be pharmacized (is that even a word?), and sold in that fashion (with controls, regulation and safety concerns addressed, dosages under control, and taxed). Isn't the vapor form most effective? I wouldn't know.

It would be so much simpler a debate, and people's jackets wouldn't stink to high heaven and the idiots wouldn't be using the stuff any more than they already are.

Edibles, home grown, smoking it, etc all can go away as these are really just workarounds for those that medically need it (who should have always had a control pharacological supply in the first place), and rationalization for those that just like it for fun use.



So all these other arguments is about recreational use. Seems using alcohol as an analogy is the best tactic.

Dosage analogy - In that case, there is plenty of laws controlling the 'proof' of liquor. Seems that pot should, at a minimum, have something similar.

Analogy of misuse - Idiots that would distill legal 'strength' liquor to get something dangerous will still do it, idiots that would do the same with legal 'strength' pot still will too. But at least society set expectations such that idiots are now responsible for being,....well....idiots, at that point and can't blame others for it.





edit: JM "Gosh I hope not...already enough dumbasses blowing up the neighborhood trying to go all "Breaking Bad" with hash oil. "

ok, JM said it much more efficiently than I did.....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[jakee 1,563]

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Oh, no doubt that's what he means, but what's gone over his head is that the people opposed to saner pot laws don't give a fuck if the person directly overdosed, or if they hurt themselves in their impaired state.

People opposed to saner pot laws generally don't give a fuck about either. That's not where the opposition comes from.

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Is it irrational to accept that alcohol carnage (133 deaths in CO in a single year),

You're underselling it. A list I found doesn't show single year in which drunk driving fatalities alone were lower than that.

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But one thing that the movement had going for it was a death rate that was pretty much zero, at least aside from the crime elements of the illegal trade, and some problems around robberies at the medical pot distributors. That disappeared in a hurry.

You think no-one ever died under the influence of pot until brownies became legal in CO? Seriousy?

BTW, what's going over your head (apart from the english language) is that I'm just asking for clarification of your position on one particular point.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,563]

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Analogy of misuse - Idiots that would distill legal 'strength' liquor to get something dangerous will still do it, idiots that would do the same with legal 'strength' pot still will too.

You don't need to alter legal strength liquor to get something dangerous.

Local restrictions may vary but in general it's not illegal to buy or sell spirits dramatically stronger than the standard 40ish% ABV. The reason it isn't common is probably because it tastes rough as old boots. But it's quite easy to put youself in urgent need of medical attention on normal spirits anyway.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 851]

Are you saying I can't buy moonshine???

I love apple pie dammit!

[kelpdiver 2]

jakee

You think no-one ever died under the influence of pot until brownies became legal in CO? Seriousy?

the scale has changed, never mind the media scrutiny.

A few years ago there was an incident locally where kids got the wrong kind of baked goods. But when the market was curtailed to the medical (wink, wink) card holding population and people at least pretended to be discreet about it, the frequency of these was not that great. The full legalization moved this from being an underground market scale to widely available.

[kelpdiver 2]

rehmwa

***Edibles have long been an essential need for the medical patients,

I think the 'medical need' is a distraction here.

If 'MEDICAL' was the main reason to legalize, then pot would be pharmacized (is that even a word?), and sold in that fashion (with controls, regulation and safety concerns addressed, dosages under control, and taxed). Isn't the vapor form most effective? I wouldn't know.


I know enough to know that one solution doesn't work for everyone. Not all sick people should be smoking, but need the benefits (ability to eat without puking being one of the most significant). As a runner I avoided all of the smoking sins. If I were to partake, it would likely be in the edible forms.

As for dosing - not sure it's as quantifiable as ABV, which is simply to evaluate. Just read the descriptions on the numerous varietals out there - it's like reading wine reviews. It also reminds me of the absurdity of serving sizes on food products, though I think we've stopped pretending that a 20oz Coke is 2.5 servings on the label.

[Bolas 5]

He should travel to and then apply for asylum or request his trial be in CO or WA.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Bolas 5]

Could an independent lab analyze a brownie to get the active ingredient (THC) percentages?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Coreece 190]

rehmwa

If 'MEDICAL' was the main reason to legalize, then pot would be pharmacized (is that even a word?)

I think the idea was to give people the ability to grow it themselves or obtain it from a legally recognized distributor, like your friend "The Dude" down the street, rather than paying some shady thug in the hood...or on "Wall Street" for that matter.

rehmwa

Isn't the vapor form most effective? I wouldn't know.

Don't know, but apparently ingesting THC through baked goods gives you a "body buzz." Perhaps this relaxing effect may be more effective on chronic physical pain...or, now that I think about it - any physical pain.

I think high dosage ingestion can be dangerous and certainly more debilitating. I think it should be reserved for those seeking a substitute to strong "pharmacized" pain killers.

For the more "casual" user who prefers ingestion, they'd be better off stocking up on butter simmered in a crock-pot with the often wasted leaves and stems rather than wasting the money using the actual buds or hash oil.

As for vaping? *looks into crystal ball*
People are already using their electronic cigs to vaporize hash oil. It's only a matter of time before the public starts complaining - "we can't smell it...how are we supposed to know if our children are in the midst of drug addicts?!?!?!"

or...

Cop pulls you over for a California Stop..."Do you know why I pulled you ov...wait, is that an e-cig?"

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[jakee 1,563]

kelpdiver

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You think no-one ever died under the influence of pot until brownies became legal in CO? Seriousy?

the scale has changed,

To what?

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A few years ago there was an incident locally where kids got the wrong kind of baked goods. But when the market was curtailed to the medical (wink, wink) card holding population and people at least pretended to be discreet about it, the frequency of these was not that great. The full legalization moved this from being an underground market scale to widely available.

Hang on a minute - we were just talking about pot related deaths and now you're back to kids getting a bit sick directly from pot. It's a little difficult to pin down the discussion with you right now, when asked about one you bounce to the other, and then from the other you bounce back again.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 851]

Vaping has been used to smoke weed for years prior to the e-cigs.

Boy howdy.

[freethefly 6]

normiss

Vaping has been used to smoke weed for years prior to the e-cigs.

Boy howdy.

An old buddy of mine had 'The Tilt' in the 70s. Sure made shwag much better.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[normiss 851]

That's the one I recall from the early 80's in NorCal.
Oddly, we had trouble keeping heat guns in the tool locker on base then.

[kelpdiver 2]

jakee

Hang on a minute - we were just talking about pot related deaths and now you're back to kids getting a bit sick directly from pot. It's a little difficult to pin down the discussion with you right now, when asked about one you bounce to the other, and then from the other you bounce back again.

Is this a discussion, or you just being bitchy for some reason? Not sure why you are so emotional about the politics around pot legalization. And for the record - near respiratory failure is not "getting a bit sick." That sort of weaseling is exactly why the opposition to legalization is still winning.

You're incapable of dealing with the big picture, and since you're overseas, are you capable? Are you using UK media sources, or American ones?

[jakee 1,563]

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Is this a discussion, or you just being bitchy for some reason?

Oh I don't know - you tell me what the hell your problem has been and I'll tell you, how does that sound?

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Not sure why you are so emotional about the politics around pot legalization.

The politics of pot legalisation have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not people are dying or whether or not people are getting ill. The politics of pot legalisation are entirely emotional.

I'm mostly interested here in the perception vs reality of what problems are really being caused by any legalisation.

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And for the record - near respiratory failure is not "getting a bit sick."

Link?

'Coz without any further info - near respiratory failure is... not respiratory failure.

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That sort of weaseling is exactly why the opposition to legalization is still winning.

It really isn't. The power of the status quo (not Status Quo) is why the opposition is winning.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?