Boomerdog 0 #151 June 4, 2014 QuoteI can't imagine... Those my be the operarive words here with respect to your position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #152 June 4, 2014 Quote As far as I'm concerned, an American soldier in enemy hands should be rescued regardless of how he got there. If it is found that he deserted his post, then he should be subject to a court martial. DanG and I don't agree on a lot, but I 100% agree with this statement. I don't agree with what we gave up, I TOTALLY disagree and don't understand what Obama was doing in the rose garden with the parents given he must have known the details of the AWOL or desertion.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #153 June 4, 2014 QuoteThose my be the operarive words here with respect to your position. Ooooh, snarky. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #154 June 4, 2014 Thoughts on the video of the turn over? Clearly needed rescuing for health reasons my ass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #155 June 4, 2014 normiss Thoughts on the video of the turn over? Clearly needed rescuing for health reasons my ass. Obviously your x-ray vision is better than ours, Superman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #156 June 4, 2014 He was conscious, alert, smiling, moving all extremities normally it appears, had no trouble walking on his own and climbing into a helicopter. Clearly at death's door there, but you're an attorney. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #157 June 4, 2014 QuoteOoooh, snarky. Yup! For the record and in the balance, it's better that we got Mr. Bergdahl back. The price we paid in giving back five big players of AQ is questionable but Obama, like Reagan and like Bush (to burst kallend's balloon) was in that unfortunate area where no additional good outcome was possible other than getting an American back and that may have to be sufficieint in and of itself. BUT the mistake Obama et. al made was making this guy out to be a hero against the facts arrayed against their position AND WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE CHECKED OUT BEFORE GOING INTO "CHEER LEADER" MODE. (PRESIDENT'S NEED TO CHECK THEIR FACTS LEST THEY PLACE FOOT IN MOUTH AND OTHER SELF INFLICTED WOUNDS OCCUR). To repeat; Snarky? Guilty on all counts but this is one of the very very very very few times I'm right on an issue, this is one of those times and I'm not backing down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #158 June 4, 2014 Quote this is one of the very very very very few times I'm right on an issue Oh. I take it you're a married man. Testify, brother! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #159 June 4, 2014 normiss The difference is, to the outside anyway, it's not a contract. There is no quit. At least not until your current enlistment is up. He took the oath. "You said the Words, John Snow!"I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #160 June 4, 2014 Quote Very good Rolling Stones article from 2 years ago. http://m.rollingstone.com/...oner-of-war-20120607 Perhaps there is a point in the Rolling Stones article....that Obama IS keying on. A peace treaty can't really be done till we got him back. Other than that small point (which I don't really agree with) it appears that at best this is a desertion case..........Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #161 June 4, 2014 Even after googling that, I'm clueless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #162 June 4, 2014 Nothing wrong with the terrorists that were released. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #163 June 4, 2014 So we know so much about their activities, why weren't they put on trial over the last 10+ years? Especially those wanted by the UN for war crimes? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #164 June 4, 2014 rushmc***As far as I'm concerned, an American soldier in enemy hands should be rescued regardless of how he got there. If it is found that he deserted his post, then he should be subject to a court martial. Ok I can see this but a law was broken No doubt about this anymore Do we just ignore this as well? How long do you think The Party of NO could have stalled the release based on their severe case of ODS that has them eating yellow snow to spite Obama telling them its not good for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #165 June 4, 2014 Happily married at that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
propblast 0 #166 June 4, 2014 The partisan politics both ways kill me on this issue. Take the politics out of it. BB did long ago.Propblast Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #167 June 4, 2014 For those of you trying to figure out what Obama was thinking... he was thinking he doesn't give a fuck what you or congress or anyone else thinks. He has a pen. He has a phone. And he doesn't give a fuck. Daring anyone to try and stop him. I think Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #168 June 4, 2014 >The Obama administration fell on its ass and screwed the pooch big time on this one. They should have let him remain captive. All the right wingers would have surely supported abandoning a US soldier to the enemy and given kudos to Obama for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
propblast 0 #169 June 4, 2014 billvon>The Obama administration fell on its ass and screwed the pooch big time on this one. They should have let him remain captive. All the right wingers would have surely supported abandoning a US soldier to the enemy and given kudos to Obama for that. You have to make it a partisan political issue as well huh? Alot of surprises in this thread. People that normally make good arguements coming out like rabid dogs.Propblast Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #170 June 4, 2014 You never cease to amaze and/or amuse me the new and lower subterranean levels you can achieve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #171 June 4, 2014 The new right wing slogan - "some men left behind." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #172 June 4, 2014 "Pussy traitors who leave their post in violation of the UCMJ and their general orders left behind or dead" that works better Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #173 June 4, 2014 DanGAs far as I'm concerned, an American soldier in enemy hands should be rescued regardless of how he got there. If it is found that he deserted his post, then he should be subject to a court martial. this - Rescue our citizens (send in tactical and rescue them, but don't negotiate with hostages - bad long term decision, citizens on vacation are even more at risk - we'll need quite an increase in tactical and special forces types) the issue of whether he was AWOL, POW, or a deserter, or a traitor is a separate issue that already has its own rules and procedures to address. now that we have him back, that part can happen regardless we don't abandon our citizens no matter what their standing is. we go in and get them back this was handled poorly, now the fallout discussions are also complete tangents and diversions too ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #174 June 4, 2014 78RATSFor those of you trying to figure out what Obama was thinking... he was thinking he doesn't give a fuck what you or congress or anyone else thinks. He has a pen. He has a phone. And he doesn't give a fuck. Daring anyone to try and stop him. I think THAT'S WHAT IT'S LIKE It's like when Jesse Ventura became Minnesota's governor....I was trying to figure out what this has been like..... .....Here's what the real problem is. symptom every single admin has been pushing their limits, crossing legal boundaries, essentially way out of control - BOTH PARTIES clearly, the executive branch itself is way out of control vs what it is supposed to be doing when we have MANY presidents in a row where the opposition is making good points about impeachment........and they are from both parties....draw your own conclusions ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #175 June 4, 2014 billvon>The Obama administration fell on its ass and screwed the pooch big time on this one. They should have let him remain captive. All the right wingers would have surely supported abandoning a US soldier to the enemy and given kudos to Obama for that. the option we need is to find and retrieve him - and support the units that will specialize in that type of work. So we can find and retrieve any citizen in peril without endangering everybody else to groups that feel they can gain by kidnapping. but apparently that's not anyone's binary list of options???? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
