And the Heat Goes On and On and On.

[billvon 3,070]

>Has the climate EVER stopped changing?

Nope. We are just driving change much faster than it would change naturally.

Simple example - we will all someday die. That will never change. We still consider murder a bad thing.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Has the climate EVER stopped changing?

Nope. We are just driving change much faster than it would change naturally.

Simple example - we will all someday die. That will never change. We still consider murder a bad thing.

MEH

More alarmism......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

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Climate alarmists are praying for El Nino...

Maybe "alarmists" are, but regular people who believe that climate change is happening are praying that it is all a bad dream.

Too bad it's not.

Climate change is happening
The debate is whether man has anything to do with it

WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!

http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/among-global-warming-deniers-us-number-one-poll-20140722

WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!

'Murica

[rushmc 23]

Amazon

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Climate alarmists are praying for El Nino...

Maybe "alarmists" are, but regular people who believe that climate change is happening are praying that it is all a bad dream.

Too bad it's not.

Climate change is happening
The debate is whether man has anything to do with it

WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!

http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/among-global-warming-deniers-us-number-one-poll-20140722

WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!

'Murica

this is what happens when the population gets educated

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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this is what happens when the population gets educated

Well now that is a very interesting theory. Can you provide proof of your statement in any tangible form??

[billvon 3,070]

>Climate alarmists are praying for El Nino just like Californians are.

Well, climate alarmists, Californians and RushMC. I remember his glee when he was able to post "there's only one problem with climate change - it ended in 1998!" Then apparently it ended in 2005, then 2010. If there is a strong El Nino this year, then in another 5 years he will be able to post "there's only one problem with climate change - it ended in 2014!"

[rushmc 23]

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this is what happens when the population gets educated

Well now that is a very interesting theory. Can you provide proof of your statement in any tangible form??

the climate changed refered to in that article was temp increases
When using non manipulated data it appears that article was correct

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

billvon

>Climate alarmists are praying for El Nino just like Californians are.

Well, climate alarmists, Californians and RushMC. I remember his glee when he was able to post "there's only one problem with climate change - it ended in 1998!" Then apparently it ended in 2005, then 2010. If there is a strong El Nino this year, then in another 5 years he will be able to post "there's only one problem with climate change - it ended in 2014!"

RushMC has as much evidence for the statement that "it ended in 1998" as you do for your assertion that it hasn't ended. As I pointed out, RSS and UAH datasets (satelllite lower troposphere temps - the ones that AGW theory says are supposed to rise) peaked in 1998. These data sets aren't adjusted.

Your evidence comes from NOAA and GISS datasets, which are surface temperatures. They are also heavily adjusted and smoothed, which the climate science community admits and explains why they are adjusted.

Do you acknowledge, Bill, that there is evidence in the data that RushMC is not incorrect with the "ended in 1998" claim? Rush acknowledges that the datasets say what you say. He then asserts that those datasets are heavily adjusted. I don't agree with Rush's tone but he is dead on.

Rush acknowledges the contrary data. He qualifies the contrary data but he at least acknowledges it is out there.

Do you acknowledge RSS and UAH? At least if you said, "yes, those data sets are out there, but they are unreliable or irrelevant because of.." then at least I'd see you thinking scientifically.

Here's RSS. I've used an arbitrary round number term of 25 years (1989-2013). [Url]http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1989/to:2013[/url]

To aver as "fact" that warming stopped in 1998 flies in the face of evidence. To aver as a fact that warming did not stop in 1998 flies in the face of other evidence.

Both sides show an indication of willingness to ignore contrary evidence. This only happens when there is an underlying dogma.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,070]

>Do you acknowledge RSS and UAH?

Definitely; they are important data sets. They are low accuracy since they are not temperature measurements but radiance measurements.

>Rush acknowledges that the datasets say what you say. He then asserts that
>those datasets are heavily adjusted.

Right. You do realize that the radiance datasets are even MORE heavily adjusted, right? They come from several different satellites, so their sensors aren't the same, aren't calibrated the same, and they are slowly deteriorating so they adjust the results all the time.

That's not to say it's worthless - it is an excellent way of taking proxy temperature readings of the atmosphere. But instrumental readings will continue to be our most accurate source of data until we find something better.

(And BTW the radiance datasets ARE showing a steady increase in lower tropospheric temperatures as well.)

As an analogy, we have pretty good infrared thermometers out there. Let's say you have two measurements:

1) An infrared measurement of the temperature in a room taken with an infrared thermometer a mile away through two layers of glass while it's raining.

2) A thermometer in the room.

Which would be a better source of data?

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Which would be a better source of data?

Which one says what I want it to say?

- Dan G

[billvon 3,070]

>Which one says what I want it to say?

And which adjustment makes it say what I want it to say?

Adjustment 1 - No warming! These are HARD FACTS and the adjustments all are perfectly reasonable. What, you can't take HARD FACTS?

Adjustment 2 - Still no warming but flatter. Peer reviewed science PROVING there is no global warming! Take that, Al Gore. Good thing that real scientists are using their skills to adjust the data to make them closer to reality.

Adjustment 3 - shows close to predicted warming. Uh - they ADJUSTED the data? That's the same as lying! No wonder the climate change religion idiots believe it.

[lawrocket 3]

[Replly]>Do you acknowledge RSS and UAH?

Definitely; they are important data sets. They are low accuracy since they are not temperature measurements but radiance measurements.

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DanG

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Climate alarmists are praying for El Nino...

Maybe "alarmists" are, but regular people who believe that climate change is happening are praying that it is all a bad dream.

Too bad it's not.

Just because it isn't all Pretty, Jumpie, Unicorns, it doesn't make a bad dream.

Life adapts, deal with it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,070]

>Life adapts, deal with it.

It does indeed, usually via mass extinctions that open up new ecological niches.

[Coreece 190]

billvon

>Life adapts, deal with it.

It does indeed, usually via mass extinctions that open up new ecological niches.

This world will end by fire...both science and the scripture agree. Global warming and floods are the least of our problems.

oh....and there is nothing you can do about it.

Get over it and move on with your life while it lasts...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[adamUK 3]

Coreece

This world will end by fire...both science and the scripture agree. Global warming and floods are the least of our problems.

oh....and there is nothing you can do about it.

Get over it and move on with your life while it lasts...

However the evaporation of the earth's oceans and the ending of all life due to heating of the sun is likely to occur about 1 billion years from now. I'd worry more about what can occur in this and the next few generations for now myself personally.

[billvon 3,070]

>Get over it and move on with your life while it lasts...

Well, some of us care about our kid's lives, too.

[turtlespeed 226]

billvon

>Get over it and move on with your life while it lasts...

Well, some of us care about our kid's lives, too.

According to some alarmists, you needn't bother . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[RonD1120 62]

turtlespeed

***>Get over it and move on with your life while it lasts...

Well, some of us care about our kid's lives, too.

According to some alarmists, you needn't bother . . .

IMO, the thought that world climate can be controlled is the height of megalomania.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

RonD1120

******>Get over it and move on with your life while it lasts...

Well, some of us care about our kid's lives, too.

According to some alarmists, you needn't bother . . .

IMO, the thought that world climate can be controlled is the height of megalomania.

WHAT???

Well we all know Bush aimed Katrina at New Orleans!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Well we all know Bush aimed Katrina at New Orleans!!!

Who said that?

- Dan G

[DanG 1]

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IMO, the thought that world climate can be controlled is the height of megalomania.

No one is talking about controlling the climate. Influencing it, yes. Controlling, no.

Why do you think man can't influence the climate? Is it too big, or is it because you think it is in the Lord's full control?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

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Well we all know Bush aimed Katrina at New Orleans!!!

Who said that?

You really need to open up your news sources

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/obamas-october-surprise-creating-and-steering-hurricane-sandy/





https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&site=&source=hp&q=bush+steered+katrina+into+new+orleans&oq=Bush+steered+katrina+at+new+&gs_l=hp.1.1.0i22i30l2.562.10767.0.13617.31.28.0.0.0.0.586.4592.0j14j2j1j1j2.20.0.ehm_pq_qw%2Chmrde%3D0%2Chmffs%3D10000%2Chmffl%3D3%2Chmffmp%3D0-6%2Chmffot%3Dtrue%2Chmnts%3D3000%2Chmqwl%3D4...0...1.1.49.hp..14.17.3243.0.jJzLCCi6qcE

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Okay, so a bunch of crazy conspiracy theory people said that. I took your post to imply that it was a mainstream belief of people who believe in climate change. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

- Dan G

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]IMO, the thought that world climate can be controlled is the height of megalomania.