billvon 3,008 #51 August 8, 2014 >I can't begin to comprehend the level of narcissism that would lead someone to >prolong a war, resulting in tens of thousands of casualties, just for personal >power. I am sure he didn't see it that way. People like that never do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #52 August 8, 2014 Wow. You certainly have an interesting grasp and spin on the facts. True: Israel occupied Gaza with military forces and had 10k israeli settlers. In 2005, Israel withdrew. Then, yes, there was an election. Hamas won a slight majority over Fatah. Then Hamas went about eliminating Fatah. Then Hamas disavowed any prior agreements for Gaza. A de facto coup d'etat. The Bush admin supported Fatah. But rather interesting how much shit the Bush Admin took from the left for having a puppet government. Fatah were a bit more moderate. Not nice, but could be worked with. Unlike Hamas. Democracy does have a price. Sometimes the assholes win. I take it that you aren't a fan of democracy for those brown-skinned people. Re: Reagan's October Surprise The whole thing has been widely rejected by both sides. In 1992, a Senate committe found no credible evidence of it. In 1993, a House committee has an even MORE extensive report, and concluded it was bollocks. (Note who ran the Senate and the House). Assuming it to be true, then it speaks even worse for Carter. Some idiot actor could get a deal made with Iran before he was even elected. In other words, a not-even-current-or-former President could make a deal that a current President could not. I'm sure the Ayatollah was shaking in his boots hen he got this letter: [Url]http://www.archives.gov/global-pages/larger-image.html?i=/historical-docs/doc-content/images/carter-letter-iran-hostages-l.jpg&c=/historical-docs/doc-content/images/carter-letter-iran-hostages.caption.html[/url] Carter's appeal to humanitarian interests? Ayatollah didn't speak that language. Appeal to humanitarianism of a guy who is more about taking off people's heads is a bit of a mistake. Carter had a peace through peaceability attitude. As a result it became far less hazardous to be America's enemy than its friend. Look at the conflicts that arose during that time. Carter himself commmented that it wasn't until the Sovets invaded Afghanistan that he realized he shouldn't have trusted them. Yep. Reagan was elected in large part because America lost its leadership during that time. His Peace through Strength attitude actually worked. Carter is still playing the same role he did as President. A decent guy. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #53 August 8, 2014 GeorgiaDonMost of the conservatives who post here in Speaker's Corner seem incapable of explaining anything logically, and they seem to be overtly hostile to anyone who holds beliefs that deviate from theirs even slightly. I agree with you here, and also add liberals to the comment along with conservatives. The self identified Libertarians (or libertarians) seem to think things through better. and the FEW cons or libs that actually do think and discuss seem to be really closet libertarians when you look at their positions. speaking of spittle based diatribes - if we put Airdvr and Funjumper in the same room would they cancel each other out and emit a huge volume of sustainable energy? Or would it be absorbed by the usual tirade speakers from both sides? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #54 August 8, 2014 Quotespeaking of spittle based diatribes - if we put Airdvr and Funjumper in the same room would they cancel each other out and emit a huge volume of sustainable energy?Interesting thought. We should give it a try. Wouldn't it be funny if they were both actually the same person, just playing everybody from opposite sides? Actually, I think all of us, conservatives, libertarians, and liberals, actually agree on about 90% of everything, so we never discuss that stuff. Most of the 10% we do disagree about isn't anything we can actually do anything about anyway. Here's hoping everybody* has a fun, safe, and productive (if you're into that kind of thing) weekend! Don *that's everybody, no exceptions._____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #55 August 8, 2014 GeorgiaDonWouldn't it be funny if they were both actually the same person, just playing everybody from opposite sides? Actually, I think all of us, conservatives, libertarians, and liberals, actually agree on about 90% of everything, so we never discuss that stuff. Most of the 10% we do disagree about isn't anything we can actually do anything about anyway. nice post I actually do operate under the assumption that the more of an out of control caricature a poster is, the more likely they are play acting for their own personal entertainment. I consider that to be a form of art. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #56 August 9, 2014 rehmwa I actually do operate under the assumption that the more of an out of control caricature a poster is, the more likely they are play acting for their own personal entertainment. I consider that to be a form of art. I believe that you are mistaken when it comes to at least 6 posters I can think of.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 August 11, 2014 turtlespeed *** I actually do operate under the assumption that the more of an out of control caricature a poster is, the more likely they are play acting for their own personal entertainment. I consider that to be a form of art. I believe that you are mistaken when it comes to at least 6 posters I can think of. I didn't say I thought I was correct. I just operate under that assumption because it's not palatable to think there is that much ignorance and vitriol on both side of the aisle in people that I normally would greatly appreciate and like. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #58 August 11, 2014 This is one of many publications that debunks the fake stories about the October surprise. There is plenty more available. I tend to NOT believe the mainstream media on anything of substance. http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/debunking-the-debunkers-of-october-surprise/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
