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cvfd1399

As I get older I feel like governemnt and media are both deceptive in their true actions and what they end up telling us.

Depends on what a person considers "deceptive."

If you believe the Ferguson Police Department is not telling you the entire truth, then that's highly likely. That doesn't, however, mean it is necessarily being "deceptive." They are likely not telling the entire story because it's under investigation and and on-going situation that they can't tell all of the facts about yet due to department policy. There may also be things they are, in fact, being deceptive about, but there's no way to know that at this time because, well, maybe they're being deceptive about them . . . or not . . . it's difficult to know the truth until it's shown in court.

If you believe "the media" as a whole organization is conspiring to be "deceptive," then I can 100% assure you that would be impossible. That wouldn't be in their own individual best interest nor could they possibly pull it off. They aren't exactly geniuses when it comes to keeping secrets and their business is to report about such nonsense, so . . . there ya go.

If you believe some individual members of any organization police, media, victims, supporters, whatever, have motives for being deceptive, you're almost certainly right and there is a good chance they are for one reason or another.

The problem is when you lump the individuals in with the larger group and ascribe a particular motive to that group's potential deception. That's highly unlikely. The vast majority of the group is probably made of decent people (unless you're talking about ISIS or the KKK or something similar which is intrinsically evil).

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I just think excessive killings of our citizens by an army of cops has gotten out of hand and the interaction / relationship between cops and civilians needs to be completely stripped and rebuilt.

In general I would agree, who would want innocent people killed by cops on an excessive basis. What you have been saying is that this cop kiled an innocent kid in cold blood, and have been ranting and raving about it for two weeks, when you don't even know if this is true or have produced evidence that shows law enforcement in general have been killing at an excessive rate. By excessive rate I mean a rate that is not to be expected in a job done by humans.

We all know humans have many different personalities, and mental illnesses to a degree. And most police department give the matrix test a 800+ question test ment to rule out people that are prone to crack if you will. Your not gonna have a 100% success rate hiring perfect cops when you are dealing with 1.1 million law enforcement positions in the us. The 104 questionable killings with smiths 95% rule leaving 10 murders basically out of 1.1 millions cops seems like a good ratio to me knowing that it never will be perfect.

[cvfd1399 0]

That what I feel, and you put it together well thanks!

[Andy9o8 2]

In other news, A Louisiana coroner has ruled that a black man handcuffed behind his back, sitting in a police cruiser, committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest.

And so it goes.

[normiss 798]

Maybe he was resisting.

[wmw999 2,444]

If the cop didn't know about the alleged robbery (which seems to be the case), then as far as he's concerned, the young man is innocent. Legally he's innocent even if the police officer did know about it.

Just as innocent as if he were a 50 year old white woman, or a soldier in uniform, or, yes, another police officer. Remember he's to enforce the law, and not what he thinks is right or justified.

Wendy P.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jakee 1,489]

Andy9o8

In other news, A Louisiana coroner has ruled that a black man handcuffed behind his back, sitting in a police cruiser, committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest.

And so it goes.

From that report: "Ortis performed a “consented pat-down” of White, according to the report, and “located suspected marijuana in front pants pocket.” "

Number one lesson yet again? Say no to cops.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Andy9o8 2]

jakee

***In other news, A Louisiana coroner has ruled that a black man handcuffed behind his back, sitting in a police cruiser, committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest.

And so it goes.

From that report: "Ortis performed a “consented pat-down” of White, according to the report, and “located suspected marijuana in front pants pocket.” "

Number one lesson yet again? Say no to cops.

Irrelevant, sadly. They'll do it anyway and testify that you consented. 99% of judges don't have the balls to reject the credibility of a cop who testifies as such.

[skypuppy 1]

wmw999

If the cop didn't know about the alleged robbery (which seems to be the case), then as far as he's concerned, the young man is innocent. Legally he's innocent even if the police officer did know about it.

Just as innocent as if he were a 50 year old white woman, or a soldier in uniform, or, yes, another police officer. Remember he's to enforce the law, and not what he thinks is right or justified.

Wendy P.

Aww, yes, but part of the question is, did the young man know that the cop was not looking for a large black male who'd just been caught on a store video stealing cigars, and did that have an impact on the way he reacted to being stopped by a cop? And how did he react to being stopped?

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[BillyVance 34]

Apparently, there's an audio recording of the shooting. Anybody listen to it? Let me know what you hear...

http://news.msn.com/us/video?videoid=236e7ab6-684f-4fa8-a7b4-90a59e1f92f6

Yeah, I know its CNN...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Andy9o8

In other news, A Louisiana coroner has ruled that a black man handcuffed behind his back, sitting in a police cruiser, committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest.

And so it goes.

Why there is no civilian oversight of the police is completely beyond me.

[normiss 798]

What did you hear????

[JohnnyMarko 1]

BillyVance

Apparently, there's an audio recording of the shooting. Anybody listen to it? Let me know what you hear...

http://news.msn.com/us/video?videoid=236e7ab6-684f-4fa8-a7b4-90a59e1f92f6

Yeah, I know its CNN...

its some dude having skype sex with someone and then there are some loud pops in the background but he ignores them...I need to submit my audio recording of the shooting...I was outside recording the damn airplane noise from Mile Hi with Kimmy and I caught the gunshots in Ferguson on my camera....

[kallend 2,026]

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This is nothing like the Trayvon shooting.

Trayvon wasn't shot by a cop.
Trayvon's case was taken to court and proven to be self defense during a physical attack.

So Zimmerman gets a trial and found out to be self defense, but without a trial you and kallend and amazon have shown that you are god damn positive the cop wasn't defending himself and is an out right murderer. Your right this is nothing like the travon case.....

FALSE. I have not expressed an opinion one way or the other. You, OTOH, seem pretty sure of your "facts".

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[normiss 798]

It appears the FBI has verified the recording and his location.
Your turn.

[airdvr 210]

I hear 10 shots. What gun was he supposedly using?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3UMKo0Lyd4
Too soon?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[mirage62 0]

Looks like this thread is dead till it goes to court....or they start burning some building down if it DOESNT

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[cvfd1399 0]

Im not saying it they are, but it is curious that one got a protest and 2 weeks of media, and I bet you never knew about this black cop that shot this white guy a few days ago.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

[kallend 2,026]

cvfd1399

Im not saying it they are, but it is curious that one got a protest and 2 weeks of media, and I bet you never knew about this black cop that shot this white guy a few days ago.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

I fail to see why the color of the shooter or shootee matter. There are altogether too many examples of cops shooting unarmed people and then the event getting whitewashed (pun intended).

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[cvfd1399 0]

The shooter or shootee(?) wasn't my point. It was the lack of media coverage compared to the white cop shot black suspect bias by the media.

[normiss 798]

Would that be an opinion piece?
There is absolutely zero information about the shooting to give any wild idea about what went down and what the circumstances could have possibly been.


oh wait, here we are....wild idea place

Except the varying stories and no police report and no clue what happened.

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cvfd1399

Im not saying it they are, but it is curious that one got a protest and 2 weeks of media, and I bet you never knew about this black cop that shot this white guy a few days ago.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

your citation shows a pretty obvious difference:
As with the Brown case, what provoked police to shoot Mr. Taylor is under investigation. Officers were responding to a report of a man “waving a gun around” when they confronted Mr. Taylor, his brother and his cousin leaving the 7-Eleven.

“South Salt Lake Police Sgt. Darin Sweeten said three officers gave Taylor verbal commands to reveal his hands, but Taylor failed to comply and was ‘visibly upset,’” said an Aug. 19 report in the Deseret [Utah] News. “Taylor was subsequently shot and died at the scene.”

Whereas Ferguson gave little explanation, and the accounting started with the LEO telling the two teenagers to get off the street. Not the same as responding to the scene where someone may be waving a gun about. The other difference is that the cameras were working for the Utah officer and that video evidence will be available at some point, whereas it doesn't exist at all for Fergeson, leaving us to decide whose verbal accountings to believe.

In any event, it points out what many here have talked about - it's a bit ridiculous that we don't even know how many police shootings occur each year.

[cvfd1399 0]

Holy shit, are your brakes smoking from that full stop and reverse! Where is the outrage for a police shooting you had for two weeks?

[cvfd1399 0]

First off in both cases we don't know what happened as both police departments are still investigating, and both police departments have only released partial information which have been biased towards them being in the clear.

Also since when has being visibly upset been a reason for police to shoot someone? Doesn't any of these departments have pepper spray or tazers?

[normiss 798]

I still believe you don't get shot for being suspected of stealing with no evidence.
The new case referenced has less information than the one resulting in riots.

I'm still moving forward, no brakes.