Riots over a shoting turn into free jordans and 40's

[rushmc 23]

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Can you really not see that you are just as entrenched in your position as normiss is in his?

Ding ding ding ding ding

But why talk to Anvil?
Why not post to those on the other side or
are you just as entrenched?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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http://ncpedia.org/harriet-henderson-cotton-mills-stri

White people rioting and bombing in the 20th century! I'm kind of surprised that's not more well known.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States

This has lots more including incidents of masses of blacks being killed in various protests.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

I was always super fascinated with this in incident. Someone threw a bomb at the police during a labor dispute. Can you imagine something like that happening today?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

******Normiss why are you ignoring the 12 witnesses, and video statement that said THE GUY WAS CHARGING BACK AT THE COP AFTER INITIALLY WALKING AWAY????!!!

WHy are you ignoring the witness statements from those who state a different version of the story?

You mean you are accusing him of doing what you are doing?

Really?

BTW, the so called witness that stated Brown had his hands up when he was shot was the same kid who helped him rob the store
then there is that pesky fact that ALL shots entered from the front which goes against this so called witness statement that he was shot in the back

But please continue

I am not ignoring anything. There simply isn't enough information out there to make any kind of determination whether the shooting was justified or not.

What you are seeing is the manifestation of racism that is still alive and well, wether it is perceived or not. A complete mishandling of the situation by the local cops once the shooting had happened. A population which has absolutely no faith in the police force. All followed by pisspoor handling of the nights after, combined with the militarization of police. That is what is causing the protests and riots.

Clearly large portions of your society are an absolute powderkeg.....I would start adressing that, cause this will continue to happen....

To Anvil, have you ever noticed how the rich and priviliged don't riot much? Do you think that is because they are just not predisposed to rioting, or do you think it is because they have lots to lose?

[rushmc 23]

The only reason we have this so called powder keg is because the media and the likes of Holder (along with Sharpton and Jackson) keep pushing the victim mentality

I agree with you
More needs to be known
but known lies have contributed to this mess
And the media is for the most part, responsible in my mind

Now the Gov of MO says we need justice for Brown and this case should be aggressively prosecuted

I guess the cop is guilty already huh......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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The only reason we have this so called powder keg is because the media and the likes of Holder (along with Sharpton and Jackson) keep pushing the victim mentality

I disagree. Sharpton and Jackson make money because of the issues at hand. Deal with the issues and Sharpton and Jackson will fade away. They wouldn't be "needed" any more.

You have an incredibly large poor population, with the gap between rich and poor growing almost exponentially. The issues you are seeing will continue and will grow. A strong middle class is important for a strong society.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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The only reason we have this so called powder keg is because the media and the likes of Holder (along with Sharpton and Jackson) keep pushing the victim mentality

I disagree. Sharpton and Jackson make money because of the issues at hand. Deal with the issues and Sharpton and Jackson will fade away. They wouldn't be "needed" any more.

You have an incredibly large poor population, with the gap between rich and poor growing almost exponentially. The issues you are seeing will continue and will grow. A strong middle class is important for a strong society.

You and I will have to disagree

Those that Sharpton and Jackson say the represtent are used by them.
Same with the Democrat party

They do not want this solved
Why?
Votes and money

and they use lies (some which you seem to have bought into) to keep all if this going

oh

and our so called poor poputaion usually have cars and multiple tvs
But that is another thread

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

rushmc

Now the Gov of MO says we need justice for Brown and this case should be aggressively prosecuted

I guess the cop is guilty already huh......

So I see: http://www.cbs3springfield.com/story/26313177/mo-gov-nixon-vigorous-prosecution-needed-after-death-of-michael-brown

[facepalm]

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Those that Sharpton and Jackson say the represtent are used by them.
Same with the Democrat party

They do not want this solved
Why?
Votes and money

and they use lies (some which you seem to have bought into) to keep all if this going

I just don't buy into this grand conspiracy theory fo all these groups working together, with the buy in from the media all working together for this common goal.

That is a lot of people keeping secrets. It also means that organizations owned by Republicans are secretly working towards the greater good of the Democratic party.

It simply doesn't make any sense.

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rushmc

The only reason we have this so called powder keg is because the media and the likes of Holder (along with Sharpton and Jackson) keep pushing the victim mentality

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Well, one might consider that 400 years of slavery, Jim Crow laws, "strange fruit" hanging from trees, ghettoization, rotten schools, "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever", persistent attempts to disenfranchise continuing today, and attitudes like yours and anvilbro's, etc. justifies that mentality.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 798]

Very well said.

[kallend 2,026]

SkyDekker

You have an incredibly large poor population, with the gap between rich and poor growing almost exponentially. The issues you are seeing will continue and will grow. A strong middle class is important for a strong society.

As has been well known for 2,000 years:

A city ought to be composed, as far as possible, of equals and similars; and these are generally the middle classes. Wherefore the city which is composed of middle-class citizens is necessarily best constituted in respect of the elements of which we say the fabric of the state naturally consists. And this is the class of citizens which is most secure in a state, for they do not, like the poor, covet their neighbors' goods; nor do others covet theirs, as the poor covet the goods of the rich; and as they neither plot against others, nor are themselves plotted against, they pass through life safely. Wisely then did Phocylides pray—'Many things are best in the mean; I desire to be of a middle condition in my city.' Aristotle, as translated by Benjamin Jowett (1885)

Unfortunately the GOP/Tea Party wants to move in the other direction.

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But why talk to Anvil?
Why not post to those on the other side or
are you just as entrenched?

I'm not entrenched at all. Anvil posted that normiss was entrenched. I implicitly agreed with him in my post. There was no point in posting that statement yet again directly to normiss. I wanted to know if Anvil realized he was entrenched as well.

So, have you already made up your mind just like normiss and Anvil?

- Dan G

[normiss 798]

I haven't made up my mind.
We still do not know what happened.
I believe a lot of factors have added to the situation after the fact.
Some of those behaviors, on both sides, needs to change.
A lot of that is what creates these situations as well.

[jakee 1,489]

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The only reason we have this so called powder keg is because the media and the likes of Holder (along with Sharpton and Jackson) keep pushing the victim mentality

Yeah, that's the only reason. Apart from an attorney general and a few talking heads there are literally no other societal factors leading to civil unrest. Zip. Nothing. Nada. If, like, 5 guys just shut up then everything else would go away.

Your thought processes are just amazing.


(BTW, I don't know much about Holder, what has he done to be seen as such a lightning rod for black unrest?)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

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Those that Sharpton and Jackson say the represtent are used by them.

Yeah, it's never your fault that people misunderstand your posts, is it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

SkyDekker

Clearly large portions of your society are an absolute powderkeg.....I would start adressing that, cause this will continue to happen....

That is the consequence of socialists gaining political power. The fools vote them in thinking they are the answer. Once in power they foster more unrest to stay in power. It is the master agenda.

Many here buy in, I don't. If I live to the end, I don't want it said that I died on the steps of some federal building whining like a liberal.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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That is the consequence of socialists gaining political power. The fools vote them in thinking they are the answer. Once in power they foster more unrest to stay in power. It is the master agenda.

I addressed the grand conspiracy theory above. In short, it is delusional.

[airdvr 210]

For lack of more information it comes down to whether you believe ANY LEO would fire 6 shots at someone who was trying to surrender.

I don't.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

airdvr

For lack of more information it comes down to whether you believe ANY LEO would fire 6 shots at someone who was trying to surrender.

I don't.

I would. I know some who would do it with a grin on their face and brag about it, if they knew they could get away with it.

[RonD1120 62]

SkyDekker

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That is the consequence of socialists gaining political power. The fools vote them in thinking they are the answer. Once in power they foster more unrest to stay in power. It is the master agenda.

I addressed the grand conspiracy theory above. In short, it is delusional.

Maybe it is and maybe it is not. Your opinion is no more valid than mine.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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billvon

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I don't know what happened here. I suspect, based on the cops I know and the general history of such incidents, that the shooting will be at least partially justified (i.e. he may have made a bad call but it was not a cop shooting an unarmed and passive kid.)

However, I do have some issues with:

-The "it's us vs them" mentality. That leads, invariably, to more such shootings, both justified and criminal.

-The idea that anything you read is shit - unless it agrees with you, then it's solid enough to bet on.

-The idea that the problem is that "black people riot like this" - that the problem is race, not how people are treated on both sides.

this is the only clear post on here and it even manages to not attack or belittle anyone on either side of the argument.

Item's 2 and 3 apply to both sides of the debate (if one has to split it into two and not more facets)

and item 3 can be extended to include also the point that "the idea that the problem is that "all cops/black people act like this....." would complete it for me in terms of how over generalization and bad history creates this crap out of thin air

nicely summarized

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rehmwa

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I don't know what happened here. I suspect, based on the cops I know and the general history of such incidents, that the shooting will be at least partially justified (i.e. he may have made a bad call but it was not a cop shooting an unarmed and passive kid.)

However, I do have some issues with:

-The "it's us vs them" mentality. That leads, invariably, to more such shootings, both justified and criminal.

-The idea that anything you read is shit - unless it agrees with you, then it's solid enough to bet on.

-The idea that the problem is that "black people riot like this" - that the problem is race, not how people are treated on both sides.

this is the only clear post on here and it even manages to not attack or belittle anyone on either side of the argument.

Item's 2 and 3 apply to both sides of the debate (if one has to split it into two and not more facets)

and item 3 can be extended to include also the point that "the idea that the problem is that "all cops/black people act like this....." would complete it for me in terms of how over generalization and bad history creates this crap out of thin air

nicely summarized

I think we saw a GREAT example of how most blacks in that community REALLY feel about this issue last night. They joined hands and kept the trouble makers ( the few) who are causing (The many) residents to get painted with the clueless title of this thread.

[airdvr 210]

SkyDekker

***For lack of more information it comes down to whether you believe ANY LEO would fire 6 shots at someone who was trying to surrender.

I don't.

I would. I know some who would do it with a grin on their face and brag about it, if they knew they could get away with it.

OK...but they know they can't get away with it so they don't.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[jakee 1,489]

airdvr

For lack of more information it comes down to whether you believe ANY LEO would fire 6 shots at someone who was trying to surrender.

I don't.

Why not? Cops are people. Within the group of cops and police departments as a whole there are heroes, good guys, average guys, nasty guys, organised crime syndicates and plain old sociopaths.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 210]

jakee

***For lack of more information it comes down to whether you believe ANY LEO would fire 6 shots at someone who was trying to surrender.

I don't.

Why not? Cops are people. Within the group of cops and police departments as a whole there are heroes, good guys, average guys, nasty guys, organised crime syndicates and plain old sociopaths.

Really? Why not? So you're saying you believe a LEO would do that?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne