Riots over a shoting turn into free jordans and 40's

[Anvilbrother 0]

Your such a bleeding heart in disguise i can hear the blood hit the floor from here!

You dont have the experience to call anyone out on how you should ACT while serving as a police officer.

You would be beaten up or killed on the street during your career in the right neighborhood I guarantee it. Please keep your comments to what you know, and not what you feel.

Heres another little tid bit from another officer.

"It looks like your questions have been sufficiently answered, but I'd like to share this story with you. This happened to me recently:

At about 01:30 in the morning, I pulled up in my cruiser to a medical office building to follow up on a theft case I was working on. The parking lot is not very well lit. As I step out of my cruiser, a man runs towards me, holding something in his right hand. It's dark, and all I can make out is that it's thin, about 6" long, and one half is wrapped in cloth. He starts swinging it around, yelling "I'll fucking kill you! I'll eat you! I'll fuck you!"

I draw my firearm, point it at him, and start giving loud verbal commands. At the same time, I radio dispatch for help. He's not responding to my commands. He's still yelling, swinging the item, making stabbing motions, making threats. He starts approaching slowly, I back off to keep distance. We start moving into the street. About that time my backup shows up. Other officers draw down on the man, start giving verbal commands. He's still not responding.

At this point, it would have been prudent to tase him, but my department doesn't equip us with tasers.

We finally end up in a well lit area across from a restaurant (and boy oh boy, were the cell phones out.) As we're continuing to go back and forth with this guy, one of my backup units gets in close enough to see that what he's holding isn't a knife, and doesn't look like a shank, either. He hits the guy with OC spray to no effect, and then moves in with a baton, striking the hand holding the object. The guy finally drops the object, we all move in and take him down. Bonus: He's covered in feces and urine.

So what was the object? All that time? A ninja turtles toothbrush.

Here's the thing: At any time during that encounter, from the time he initially approached me aggressively to the time we were finally able to see what the item was, had he charged at me or another officer, or a bystander, I (we) would have shot and killed him. Now I did have the presence of mind during the encounter to wonder if the item was in fact a knife, because I've had similar experiences before. But given his behavior, and the way he was brandishing it, I had perfectly good reason to believe that it was a weapon. More importantly, I'm not going to let my own doubts get me killed.

So what if I had killed him?

Well, the cell phone videos would be out. The media would report, initially, the most simple version of the story:

Townsville Metro Police Kill Man Wielding Toothbrush.

Reddit is pretty quick with things like this, so shortly thereafter on the front page:

Police officer MURDERS man over ninja turtles toothbrush.

The initial news headline would play out for a bit, until they got a few more details.

Townsville Metro Police Shoot Young Black Man Wielding Toothbrush.

Another media outlet, upset that they didn't get the initial scoop, goes with something a bit more sensational to grab the media consumer's attention:

Townsville Police Kill Unarmed Young Black Man.

There you have it. The average media consumer's opinion has already been formed by the headline - many won't even bother to read the story. Even if they did, the story will contain the most basic of details. Cops shoot guy, guy only has toothbrush.

Here's what the stories won't contain: My thoughts and feelings upon the initial encounter. The things that I can (or can't) see. My fear. My wondering if I'm about to kill a man, and how I'm going to deal with that. Am I going to break down like so many others? Become an alcoholic? What if it doesn't stop him? What if he kills me? I need help. Where are they? What's taking them so long? Who is this man? Why does he want to kill me? What if a bystander walks into this? I can't let him take a hostage. Goddamnit where is my backup?!

And then later: My god, I almost killed a man over a toothbrush. Would it have been justified? Maybe the courts would have exonerated me, but would I still get fired? Could I forgive myself? Great, I've got someone else's shit and piss all over me for the third time this week.

And then, much later...well, just imagine, after all that, how it feels to see someone watch a massively abbreviated news report on the incident, form an entire opinion based upon that miniscule amount of information (and their complete lack of qualified expertise or experience) and condemn me for my decisions. As weird as it sounds, this is my job - my expertise. Criticizing me for how I deal with a shit covered maniac is no different than you walking in on an open heart surgery and telling the surgeon he's using the wrong scalpel.

Don't let the media form your opinions. Understand that investigations can take a very long time. Most importantly, understand that these situations are often so massively complicated that no journalist could ever truly convey all of the details - especially what's going on in my head when I have to make that critical, life altering decision."

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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At about 01:30 in the morning, I pulled up in my cruiser to a medical office building to follow up on a theft case I was working on. The parking lot is not very well lit. As I step out of my cruiser, a man runs towards me,

Now, he could of course have used a flash light to look around the area that was dimly lit prior to getting out of the cruiser.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Another person who has no clue about patrolling in the dark around commercial or residential buildings, hell even the woods. People can you know....Hide and wait.

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[Andy9o8 2]

You might have gotten a more open-minded audience had you not started the thread with "Why do Negroes use any excuse to steal basketball shoes and malt liquor?"

Then you basically say they're all a bunch of animals. (The message conveyed.)

You jump into the "I have non-whites in my life" foxhole for a bit of cover.

Then you morph the thread into a tired, old rant (with spittle!) about bleeding-heart-ism. Oh, those clueless libs! Why can't they defend the white trailer trash as much as the black ones?

You got called out cuz you had it coming - nothing less.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Another person who has no clue about patrolling in the dark around commercial or residential buildings, hell even the woods. People can you know....Hide and wait.

Yup, they could. But he still should have cleared his area before getting out of his cruiser. Maybe he did, but his story was thorough enough that he probably would have mentioned it if he did.

[weekender 0]

Amazon

***wow.

Thanks for explaining the military mentality.
Sounds like it has become all out war.
That's disappointing.

+1

And as long as we can have officers willing to kill EVERYONE because they felt threatened or feared for their lives... from an unarmed teen.. It will continue to spiral downward.



am i the only person who actually has sympathy for the officer who described how difficult his job is? if half of what he described is accurate it must be a nearly impossible job.

how cynical and full of hate have people become that they believe this can only be about the police hating THOSE people. thats it, the police are militarized, racist killing machines. oh and all urban poor people are completely innocent victims of the racist machine. really its that easy?

i must be an idiot because it seems the problem is so more complicated and sad than that.

UPDATE: my mistake, i didnt realize he was the OP. his first post was rather awful and i left the thread for a while because of it. i responded to what i thought was a police officer describing how hard the job can be. so please read my post as it was intended. a response to his description of the job and not to his original post. which i find awful.

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

[Andy9o8 2]

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am i the only person who actually has sympathy for the officer who described how difficult his job is?

Nope. I join you in that. But see my post #54. There's your explanation.

[normiss 800]

I think he made it clear it wasn't about hate of THOSE people.
More accurately he stated it was about ALL people.

Personally, I think a cop with people skills will have better relations with the community than the one with the defensive military approach.
Maybe that's just me though.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Of course it is more complicated.

However, if you treat everybody with an Us vs. Them mentality, you can't be surprised when they return the favour.

[weekender 0]

SkyDekker

Of course it is more complicated.

However, if you treat everybody with an Us vs. Them mentality, you can't be surprised when they return the favour.

i updated my post but realize most dont go back and read. so im going to repost the update to make my thoughts more clear. i left this thread than came back and posted without the entire picture. my apologies to all.

"UPDATE: my mistake, i didnt realize he was the OP. his first post was rather awful and i left the thread for a while because of it. i responded to what i thought was a police officer describing how hard the job can be. so please read my post as it was intended. a response to his description of the job and not to his original post. which i find awful."

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

[cgriff 0]

weekender

am i the only person who actually has sympathy for the officer who described how difficult his job is? if half of what he described is accurate it must be a nearly impossible job.

I don't have any. I had that job, and it IS tough. Add to all those factors the expectation that I enforce laws that should not be laws in the first place, and it was too much. So I found a different one.

weekender

how cynical and full of hate have people become that they believe this can only be about the police hating THOSE people. thats it, the police are militarized, racist killing machines. oh and all urban poor people are completely innocent victims of the racist machine. really its that easy?

Well, they're people, so yes, automatically some of them will be racist. The root problem is the militarized part of that... When you train and equip a police force as if it's an army then it tends to act as if it's an army and do what armies do.

Now, if you want to talk about how race changes the amount of PRESS an event gets, I think that's also an important factor...

[Anvilbrother 0]

Please take a look at the 3rd photo in this link and tell me he was looting for "supplies"

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/video-police-shooting-leads-to-all-out-riots-and-looting-in-missouri-photos/

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[normiss 800]

Should I take back the THOSE people comment??



FYI - I am unable to access that site from work, and it's too late to jump networks to simply view it. Maybe later.

[billvon 2,991]

>It is THEM(EVERYONE) vs US

I've known several cops who consider themselves part of the community they work in, and do not see it as a battle with sides drawn up. I have a lot of respect for such people.

[Anvilbrother 0]

If your thinking im saying its Blacks vs cops your wrong. There is 2 points going on in this thread.

1. When the medias headlines read "Police shoot unarmed male in compton, , mom said he had his hands up and was saying the lords prayer" instead of "there was a shooting involving a citizen and and officer, it is being investigated by the proper authorities we will provide details as they are released by the D.A." The African Americans have historically and documented immediately to go into a riot before the shell casing hits the floor and we really know what is going on. They dont go beat down the police station, or cops houses, they immediately go to the local convience stores, strip malls, and destroy and steal other peoples shit. PLEASE TELL ME I AM WRONG ABOUT THAT!

The second topic is police mentality. It isn't Blacks vs police like im being shown to have said falsely by amazon, and that other bleeding heart. Its everyone and everything is out to kill cops while on duty. People, dogs, vehicles, etc. you have a target on your back and to survive you have to think that way be prepared, and act properly when a threat comes.

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[billvon 2,991]

>If your thinking im saying its Blacks vs cops your wrong.

I didn't say anything like that. It was that several cops I know consider themselves part of the community they work in, so it's not "us vs them" it's "us and us." I have a lot of respect for them.

>The African Americans have historically and documented immediately to go into
>a riot

Not going to touch that one with a ten foot pole.

[quade 4]

billvon

>The African Americans have historically and documented immediately to go into a riot

Not going to touch that one with a ten foot pole.

But, you know, it's not racist. Nothing like that.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Anvilbrother 0]

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I didn't say anything like that. It was that several cops I know consider themselves part of the community they work in, so it's not "us vs them" it's "us and us." I have a lot of respect for them.

Correct in terms of public service, and community projects, helping others in the proper environment!

It changes to everything vs me at 1am on the side of the road at night and you find an abandoned vehicle where bad shit usually has gone down and there is someone laying on the ground and one standing next to them. You don't walk up to investigate with your hands in your pockets, talking on the phone to your ex wife who is taking your kids, and thinking of how many jumps your going to make tomorrow. That shit gets cops killed.

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[billvon 2,991]

>You don't walk up to investigate with your hands in your pockets

The two options are not "hands in your pockets, talking on the phone to your ex wife" and "us vs them." That's a false dichotomy, like saying that if you are not pissing in your pants on every skydive you're a complacent dolt who is going to die.

Like I said, I know several cops who manage to survive just fine without treating every non-cop as a "them." They don't even talk to their ex-wives during investigations or traffic stops.

[Andy9o8 2]

Anvilbrother

Please take a look at the 3rd photo in this link and tell me he was looting for "supplies"

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/video-police-shooting-leads-to-all-out-riots-and-looting-in-missouri-photos/

You're right, all niggers loot, and they like to loot for sneakers and alcohol. Thanks for setting us straight.

[normiss 800]

No need to look at it unblocked now that I'm home?
Didn't think so in the first place.


They still wonder why we don't trust them?????

[Anvilbrother 0]

What about this thread is incorrect?
1. A shooting happened which we do not know the facts
2. Black people started a riot
3. They stole items, and damaged businesses.
4. Most of the community want peace
5. A certain group of them came out of their community, or from other communities and took advantage of the confusion and started committing crimes.

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[billvon 2,991]

>What about this thread is incorrect?

>2. Black people started a riot
>5. A certain group of them came out of their community, or from other
>communities and took advantage of the confusion and started committing crimes.

Given that you posted pictures of a white looter, the above two are incorrect.

[Anvilbrother 0]

If there is a link showing such it has been changed to a new story, or picture by the news site i linked it from. i cant provide Permalinks for you sorry.

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[tkhayes 348]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ferguson-riots-and-the-military-like-police-response-1.2735588

Population is 21000 people and they have all this assault gear for the local police? Wondering if any taxpayers are aware of that...wel, they are now, but likely not outraged until the SWAT team arrive son their own doorstep someday.