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Anvilbrother

Does a person have to be armed to be shot by a cop?

If a cop cannot resolve a situation with an unarmed person without escalating the situation to the level of deadly force, he has no business in that profession.

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Anvilbrother

I'll throw this one on you, this guy wasn't armed.

Those are the exceptions, and should not be treated as the rule. If someone is not willing to take such risks, they have no business in law enforcement.

Law enforcement's greatest weapon is public trust. Nothing undermines that trust like shooting unarmed persons.

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I did not follow that situation too much but from what I gather he was illegally running hundreds of head of cattle on federal land without permission, or paying for it, and threatened violence if he was not allowed to keep them there without payment. If so then yes.

The bigger point, is why should the federal government charge anyone 1 MILLION dollars (since 1992) to let some cows graze on publicly owned land. Were not talking central park or your local neighborhood playground land. Im talking a combined 700 MILLION ACRES of land the BLM owns....We own......Thats what I have an issue with.

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Anvilbrother

why should the federal government charge anyone 1 MILLION dollars (since 1992) to let some cows graze on publicly owned land.

To prevent tragedy of the commons. Such large fees are why public land can remain worthy of grazing at all.

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Anvilbrother

I did not follow that situation too much but from what I gather he was illegally running hundreds of head of cattle on federal land without permission, or paying for it, and threatened violence if he was not allowed to keep them there without payment. If so then yes.

The bigger point, is why should the federal government charge anyone 1 MILLION dollars (since 1992) to let some cows graze on publicly owned land. Were not talking central park or your local neighborhood playground land. Im talking a combined 700 MILLION ACRES of land the BLM owns....We own......Thats what I have an issue with.

So you sympathise with a terrorist?

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Those are the exceptions, and should not be treated as the rule. If someone is not willing to take such risks, they have no business in law enforcement.

I bet you would say that about every situation I could bring up here...

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If a cop cannot resolve a situation with an unarmed person without escalating the situation to the level of deadly force, he has no business in that profession.

What should the female officer have done then? Polity asked the guy on PCP who ambushed them in a bedroom not to charge her and striker her until she was unconscious, take her gun and kill her, then once she was dead should the other officer polity ask him not to grab a tire iron and start beating him in the corner until he was almost unconscious?

Should they have not went to the call of a home burglary? Should they surround every house where the threat of physical confrontation exists with a dozen cops, and then call out a negotiator to avoid possibly having to shoot someone that ambushes you physically?


Your bat shit crazy if you think there is no situation where an unarmed person might not be able to be stopped without a firearm.

Your also bat shit crazy crazy if you think at a person is not fit for the profession if they cant do that exact thing.

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So you sympathise with a terrorist?

You are UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE....Throwing that statement out there....

All I stated was that its kinda fucked up that the government scooped up 700 million acres, and wont let people graze cows on them without paying them millions of dollars...

If calling people terrorist sympathizers over a statement like that is your MO of debate I am done talking to you, I think your here just to start shit.

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Anvilbrother

What should the female officer have done then? Polity asked the guy on PCP who ambushed them in a bedroom not to charge her and striker her until she was unconscious, take her gun and kill her, then once she was dead should the other officer polity ask him not to grab a tire iron and start beating him in the corner until he was almost unconscious?

She should have protected her firearm. Once the guy had her firearm, he wasn't unarmed, was he? Hence, the officers weren't the ones who escalated the situation to the level of deadly force. Your example is a red herring, unless you're proposing that cops shoot all suspects, every time, just in case.

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She should have protected her firearm.

So you think that its the cops fault for not protecting her gun?

Not the guys fault for attacking a police officer knocking her out, taking her gun and killing her with it....Got it.

I bet you are one of the guys that thinks its ok to sue someone because they hurt themselves on your property while trespassing.

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Anvilbrother

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So you sympathise with a terrorist?

You are UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE....Throwing that statement out there....

All I stated was that its kinda fucked up that the government scooped up 700 million acres, and wont let people graze cows on them without paying them millions of dollars...

If calling people terrorist sympathizers over a statement like that is your MO of debate I am done talking to you, I think your here just to start shit.

Well, first you agreed he was indeed a terrorist. Then you stated that you somewhat agree with his position though.

So, you are sympathetic to what he (someone you labeled a terrorist) is fighting for.

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Anvilbrother

So you think that its the cops fault for not protecting her gun?

That was one of her responsibilities. She failed, and she lost her life because of that failure.

Anvilbrother

I bet you are one of the guys that thinks its ok to sue someone because they hurt themselves on your property while trespassing.

Laws dictate who is liable for damages. Whether property owners (typically via their insurance policy) are liable for damages when someone is injured on their property depends on how that person is injured and how that person came to be on their property. Property owners are least liable for injuries suffered by trespassers. But that doesn't mean there is no property owner liability, ever, just because to injury occurred while trespassing.

If a property owner might be liable for injuries sustained by a trespasser, then, yes, a lawsuit is a perfectly valid way of legally determining liability and collecting any owed compensation for those damages.

I infer from your question that you are opposed to such civil resolution of disputes.

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mom-of-man-killed-by-st-louis-cop-he-was-unarmed/ar-BB8fYZs

Mom: "He was holding a sandwich"
Cops: "He was shooting a gun"
Truth: "He was holding a small caliber sandwich, which he fired two times. On the third attempt a pickle jammed the sandwich"

All joking aside. One side is completely full of bullshit here. You'd think it would be pretty easy to clear up. But now that we have a smoking sandwich who knows what will happen.....probably more riots.

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Then you stated that you somewhat agree with his position though.

So, you are sympathetic to what he (someone you labeled a terrorist) is fighting for.

He was wrong to not pay like he should have, your right I agreed.

He was wrong to not move his cattle, your right, I also agreed.

He was wrong to threaten violence which I said could label him a terrorist, your right, I said he was engaging in a form of terrorism.

I stated a position that Americans shouldn't have been in this situation from the beginning due to federal land grab.

I never sympathized with him for not paying, remaining after forbidden, or threatening the government. How you made that jump leads me to believe your just a shit stirrer also.

That man wore pants, do you wear pants? If you do your a fuckin terrorist.......

Im done talking to you about this, and going back onto topic.

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jcd11235

She should have protected her firearm.

Sure, she had it coming.




Sounds a lot like "she shouldn't have dressed so provocatively"

Apparently one has to sometimes really cross the line to troll out other posters......

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rehmwa

***She should have protected her firearm.

Sure, she had it coming.

No, she didn't have it coming. She failed in her responsibility and paid the price with her life.

rehmwa

Sounds a lot like "she shouldn't have dressed so provocatively"

It's more like analyzing what went wrong in a skydiving fatality. In most cases, skydiver error is a contributing factor, often the primary one.

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Anvilbrother

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Then you stated that you somewhat agree with his position though.

So, you are sympathetic to what he (someone you labeled a terrorist) is fighting for.

He was wrong to not pay like he should have, your right I agreed.

He was wrong to not move his cattle, your right, I also agreed.

He was wrong to threaten violence which I said could label him a terrorist, your right, I said he was engaging in a form of terrorism.

I stated a position that Americans shouldn't have been in this situation from the beginning due to federal land grab.

I never sympathized with him for not paying, remaining after forbidden, or threatening the government. How you made that jump leads me to believe your just a shit stirrer also.

That man wore pants, do you wear pants? If you do your a fuckin terrorist.......

Im done talking to you about this, and going back onto topic.

So do you think that labelling the people in Ferguson, who might just be very fed up with the way hey have been treated, as terrorists is beneficial to resolving the dispute?

Look how you reacted to being labelled a terrorist sympathiser.

Then go back a couple of posts above that, where you are trying to label an entire group as potential terrorists.

So which topic do you want to discuss? How these situations can be resolved, what might be underlying issues? Or how to keep these uppity potential terrorists in check?

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Sounds a lot like "she shouldn't have dressed so provocatively"

Getting so tired of this argument.

There are multiple sides. One: No dressing provocatively does not mean she had it coming. Two: when discussing how to try and prevent getting raped, that can certainly be part of the discussion.

If I decide to take a leasurely stroll throug the worst part of a city, while counting $20 bills. I don't deserve to be robbed. But, if I am trying not to get robbed, it probably isn't the smartest thing to do.

If a girl acts like she is horny and wants to fuck, she doesn't deserve to be raped. However, if she is trying to avoid getting raped, it is behaviour she should try and avoid as well.

So, no she didn't deserve to be shot. However, doing a better job of protecting her firearm would have likely helped her.

[JohnnyMarko 1]

What does rape have to do with the Michael Brown case?

I'm getting so confused.

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SkyDekker

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So you sympathise with a terrorist?

You are UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE....Throwing that statement out there....

All I stated was that its kinda fucked up that the government scooped up 700 million acres, and wont let people graze cows on them without paying them millions of dollars...

If calling people terrorist sympathizers over a statement like that is your MO of debate I am done talking to you, I think your here just to start shit.

Well, first you agreed he was indeed a terrorist. Then you stated that you somewhat agree with his position though.

So, you are sympathetic to what he (someone you labeled a terrorist) is fighting for.
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SkyDekker

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So you sympathise with a terrorist?

You are UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE....Throwing that statement out there....

All I stated was that its kinda fucked up that the government scooped up 700 million acres, and wont let people graze cows on them without paying them millions of dollars...

If calling people terrorist sympathizers over a statement like that is your MO of debate I am done talking to you, I think your here just to start shit.

Well, first you agreed he was indeed a terrorist. Then you stated that you somewhat agree with his position though.

So, you are sympathetic to what he (someone you labeled a terrorist) is fighting for.

Somewhat agreeing with a position is not the same as condoning or participating in the acts.

By your definition, every person of Islamic faith is a terrorist if they somewhat believe that Islam is what Islamic terrorists are protecting.

I agree with most Islamic Terrorists that you need to be able to breath to stay alive, that doesn't make me a terrorist sympathizer.

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JohnnyMarko

What does rape have to do with the Michael Brown case?

I'm getting so confused.

Maybe the unwilling sperm recipient/unwilling lead recipient analogy?

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winsor

***What does rape have to do with the Michael Brown case?

I'm getting so confused.

Maybe the unwilling sperm recipient/unwilling lead recipient analogy?

Very poor analogy at best.

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turtlespeed

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So you sympathise with a terrorist?

You are UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE....Throwing that statement out there....

All I stated was that its kinda fucked up that the government scooped up 700 million acres, and wont let people graze cows on them without paying them millions of dollars...

If calling people terrorist sympathizers over a statement like that is your MO of debate I am done talking to you, I think your here just to start shit.

Well, first you agreed he was indeed a terrorist. Then you stated that you somewhat agree with his position though.

So, you are sympathetic to what he (someone you labeled a terrorist) is fighting for.

Somewhat agreeing with a position is not the same as condoning or participating in the acts.

By your definition, every person of Islamic faith is a terrorist if they somewhat believe that Islam is what Islamic terrorists are protecting.

I agree with most Islamic Terrorists that you need to be able to breath to stay alive, that doesn't make me a terrorist sympathizer.

I am not disagreeing with you. If you read my follow up post, the reasoning may become clear to you.

You saw the instant strong reaction when terms like that were used directed at some one here. Then we have had at least two politically likeminded people jump in. You being one of them.

Yet, when he labelled a whole group in Ferguson as potential terrorists.....

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SkyDekker

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Then you stated that you somewhat agree with his position though.

So, you are sympathetic to what he (someone you labeled a terrorist) is fighting for.

He was wrong to not pay like he should have, your right I agreed.

He was wrong to not move his cattle, your right, I also agreed.

He was wrong to threaten violence which I said could label him a terrorist, your right, I said he was engaging in a form of terrorism.

I stated a position that Americans shouldn't have been in this situation from the beginning due to federal land grab.

I never sympathized with him for not paying, remaining after forbidden, or threatening the government. How you made that jump leads me to believe your just a shit stirrer also.

That man wore pants, do you wear pants? If you do your a fuckin terrorist.......

Im done talking to you about this, and going back onto topic.

So do you think that labelling the people in Ferguson, who might just be very fed up with the way hey have been treated, as terrorists is beneficial to resolving the dispute?

Look how you reacted to being labelled a terrorist sympathiser.

Then go back a couple of posts above that, where you are trying to label an entire group as potential terrorists.

So which topic do you want to discuss? How these situations can be resolved, what might be underlying issues? Or how to keep these uppity potential terrorists in check?


Explain to me how destroying the town they grew up in is going to solve anything at all other than to illustrate just how stupid that particular demographic really is.

Meanwhile in Utah a white kid was unarmed and shot by a black cop.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/3/justice-dillon-taylor-after-white-utah-man-fatally/

Instead or rioting and looting their own neighborhood they held a candlelight vigil.

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Destroying their town?

What you call candle light vigil, that article describes as demonstrations. Including pictures of signs that read "hands up, don't shoot", directly taken from the Ferguson incident.

I read those two incidents and think there is a huge racially charged issue in the US. You appear to be reading it as white people reacting better than black people. You might be part of the problem.