Drug tests for welfare recipients

[kallend 2,106]

What a complete waste of time, energy and money:

thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/08/07/3468610/tennessee-welfare-drug-test-positive/

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[weekender 0]

kallend

What a complete waste of time, energy and money:

thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/08/07/3468610/tennessee-welfare-drug-test-positive/

this article does nothing to convince me either way. the test was an exercise in silliness.

"Applicants have to answer three questions about drug use to get benefits, and if they answer yes to any of them, they get referred to urine testing."

i would agree it seems like a waste of time and money because no one in their right mind would say yes, knowing they will be tested and lose their benefits. its just silly, a complete waste of time.

if you want to drug test them, then drug test them. if you dont want to drug test them then dont. this system seems to have been put in place to fool both parties into believing they are getting their way. this money should have been spent on more welfare for the poor or more jails to incarcerate the poor. depending on your political affiliation.

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

[Anvilbrother 0]

Did you even read your link?

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In July, Tennessee began a drug testing program for applicants to the state’s welfare program. Since then, just one person has tested positive out of more than 800.

If you know your coming in to APPLY for welfare you just wait a few weeks till you are clean, then come in clean. Once you have your benefits, and the coast is clear, you are free to smoke weed again.

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Applicants have to answer three questions about drug use to get benefits, and if they answer yes to any of them, they get referred to urine testing. If the result is positive, they have to complete a treatment plan and then take another test. If the second comes back positive, they get cut off from benefits for six months. Those who refuse to take a drug test in the first place can’t get benefits.

Again did you even read this stupid ass link. Obviously your not going to rat yourself out. Thats like asking a bank robber if he robbed the bank, if he said no he gets to go free.....How about a new broad no biased study that is focused around current recipients, and RANDOM testing!

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[kallend 2,106]

Anvilbrother

Did you even read your link?

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In July, Tennessee began a drug testing program for applicants to the state’s welfare program. Since then, just one person has tested positive out of more than 800.

If you know your coming in to APPLY for welfare you just wait a few weeks till you are clean, then come in clean. Once you have your benefits, and the coast is clear, you are free to smoke weed again.


***Applicants have to answer three questions about drug use to get benefits, and if they answer yes to any of them, they get referred to urine testing. If the result is positive, they have to complete a treatment plan and then take another test. If the second comes back positive, they get cut off from benefits for six months. Those who refuse to take a drug test in the first place can’t get benefits.

Again did you even read this stupid ass link. Obviously your not going to rat yourself out. Thats like asking a bank robber if he robbed the bank, if he said no he gets to go free.....How about a new broad no biased study that is focused around current recipients, and RANDOM testing!

So you agree that it's a complete waste of time, money and energy.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

I agree that your title of "Drug tests for welfare recipients" and the topic of it being a waste of money to drug test applicants based off a self questionnaire was a ploy by you and the writer to mislead readers to believe that it is a waste of money and should never be done.

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[kallend 2,106]

Anvilbrother

I agree that your title of "Drug tests for welfare recipients" and the topic of it being a waste of money to drug test applicants based off a self questionnaire was a ploy by you and the writer to mislead readers to believe that it is a waste of money and should never be done.

Neither I, nor the writer of the article, made the rules in Tennessee. The data show quite clearly that the rules simply waste time, money and energy.

Same is true in Florida:

www.tampabay.com/news/courts/florida-didnt-save-money-by-drug-testing-welfare-recipients-data-shows/1225721

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[normiss 851]

I'd like to keep my Fourth Amendment please.
Thank you.

[weekender 0]

kallend

***I agree that your title of "Drug tests for welfare recipients" and the topic of it being a waste of money to drug test applicants based off a self questionnaire was a ploy by you and the writer to mislead readers to believe that it is a waste of money and should never be done.

Neither I, nor the writer of the article, made the rules in Tennessee. The data show quite clearly that the rules simply waste time, money and energy.

Same is true in Florida:

www.tampabay.com/news/courts/florida-didnt-save-money-by-drug-testing-welfare-recipients-data-shows/1225721

if you are arguing against drug testing for welfare, the Florida study is a much better case. you should have lead with that. the Tenn one is just silly and doesn't make a compelling argument either way. well, except that lawmakers in Tenn seem to be incompetent. the article pretty much proves that.

IMO, the Florida study shows its a waste of time to test for drugs. the Tenn study shows its a waste of time for lawmakers in Tenn to exist.

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

[Anvilbrother 0]

Its a waste of time to test APPLICANTS! They know when they are going to go sign up for benefits, they go in clean!

Its not a waste of time to RANDOMLY test CURRENTLY enrolled participants! They dont know its coming...Duh

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[normiss 851]

You have a warrant to search me???

[Anvilbrother 0]

Im sure if its law that you agree to random tests when you sign up for the handouts, you dont need a warrant to get you to piss. If you choose not to i would kick you off the program for a year.

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[Amazon 7]

normiss

You have a warrant to search me???

I don't know about you Mark... but I have been drug tested for every job I have had for the last 20 years. I can also remember the golden flow tests of the 1970s in the military... testing positive had dire consequences.. except if your daddy was a congressman.

Personally if they are going to pass a law to test the people on the dole..... they need to include EVERYONE on the public dole.

Start with COPS...... if they test positive for proscribed substances perhaps taken from the people they are persecuting.. OFF the force... join the people they loathe so much.

Test all the damn politicians... if you are making dumb ass laws to punish the least of us.... than those who are the high and mighty need to be tested as well.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Amazon

***You have a warrant to search me???

I don't know about you Mark... but I have been drug tested for every job I have had for the last 20 years. I can also remember the golden flow tests of the 1970s in the military... testing positive had dire consequences.. except if your daddy was a congressman.

Personally if they are going to pass a law to test the people on the dole..... they need to include EVERYONE on the public dole.

Start with COPS...... if they test positive for proscribed substances perhaps taken from the people they are persecuting.. OFF the force... join the people they loathe so much.

Test all the damn politicians... if you are making dumb ass laws to punish the least of us.... than those who are the high and mighty need to be tested as well.

This.

(except it would just create another giant cost centre, who need to get tested by another organization to keep it all fair....)

The whole thing is just stupid.

[Amazon 7]

SkyDekker

******You have a warrant to search me???

I don't know about you Mark... but I have been drug tested for every job I have had for the last 20 years. I can also remember the golden flow tests of the 1970s in the military... testing positive had dire consequences.. except if your daddy was a congressman.

Personally if they are going to pass a law to test the people on the dole..... they need to include EVERYONE on the public dole.

Start with COPS...... if they test positive for proscribed substances perhaps taken from the people they are persecuting.. OFF the force... join the people they loathe so much.

Test all the damn politicians... if you are making dumb ass laws to punish the least of us.... than those who are the high and mighty need to be tested as well.

This.

(except it would just create another giant cost centre, who need to get tested by another organization to keep it all fair....)

The whole thing is just stupid.

Yeah like in Florida where the Governor owns the damn testing company.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Cough gag spit......I agree with you amazon.....I AGREE WITH YOUUUUUUUUU. wow never thought that would happen

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[ryoder 1,590]

If there is going to be drug testing, then it needs to include:

1. The drug with the most debilitating mental and physical effects (ethanol).

2. The drug that causes the most death and disease (tobacco).

Otherwise, "drug testing" is just a joke.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[normiss 851]

You cannot force someone to do a warrantless search to provide government benefits.
Believe me, I fully understand waiving that right to a job screen piss test or a PC piss test.
NOT for government services.

[rehmwa 2]

I like the idea, but it's too cumbersome.

Until we have a good screen (or preliminary screen) that gives results pretty much right now, relatively cheaply, and on site, then that kind of testing/criteria is just a concept that can't really be implemented in a cost beneficial way. (I mean pretty much drop hair or a nail clipping into a tube and red or green light comes on within a minute type of thing).

Invent that first, then let's talk about it. (I'm sure if the machine existed, then private and public groups would have one on site - so the question about testing public servants.... lawmakers, cops, etc would be in the mix for sure).

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[Anvilbrother 0]

Isnt the saliva test instant? I dont know the details of what it catches, and how far back.

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[ryoder 1,590]

Amazon

Test all the damn politicians... if you are making dumb ass laws to punish the least of us.... than those who are the high and mighty need to be tested as well.

I'll second that;
I would feel a lot better learning that they were doing/saying dumbass things because they were stoned, rather than just because they were the paid mouthpieces of big corporate donors.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rehmwa 2]

ryoder

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Test all the damn politicians... if you are making dumb ass laws to punish the least of us.... than those who are the high and mighty need to be tested as well.

I'll second that;
I would feel a lot better learning that they were doing/saying dumbass things because they were stoned, rather than just because they were the paid mouthpieces of big corporate donors.

or just idiots even when sober

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[weekender 0]

Amazon

***You have a warrant to search me???

I don't know about you Mark... but I have been drug tested for every job I have had for the last 20 years. I can also remember the golden flow tests of the 1970s in the military... testing positive had dire consequences.. except if your daddy was a congressman.

Personally if they are going to pass a law to test the people on the dole..... they need to include EVERYONE on the public dole.

Start with COPS...... if they test positive for proscribed substances perhaps taken from the people they are persecuting.. OFF the force... join the people they loathe so much.

Test all the damn politicians... if you are making dumb ass laws to punish the least of us.... than those who are the high and mighty need to be tested as well.

i think some dept's test. makes sense you are usually driving a vehicle for work and have a gun. i am a firefighter and i know you get tested if there is an on the job accident or an auto accident with one of their vehicles.

I would support all politicians being tested. also police, fire, EMS and school teachers. but mostly because i hate the municipal unions and want to be a jerk.

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

[normiss 851]

Pretty sad how few citizens understand their own rights.

[Amazon 7]

ryoder

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Test all the damn politicians... if you are making dumb ass laws to punish the least of us.... than those who are the high and mighty need to be tested as well.

I'll second that;
I would feel a lot better learning that they were doing/saying dumbass things because they were stoned, rather than just because they were the paid mouthpieces of big corporate donors.

Those are the ones who do the most harm to our society anyway.... and thye can afford the best dope in large quatities so they do it. They are literally above the law and that should not be the case for anyone.

[normiss 851]

How quickly some will want to remove other's rights.