"Militarization" of the police

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kallend

Misconduct even in the small stuff:

www.newser.com/story/196142/police-scandal-leads-to-6k-nixed-speeding-tickets.html

Hmm - I wonder if teachers and professors ever do anything immoral or illegal.
While during their jobs or after hours.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 2,990]

>Hmm - I wonder if teachers and professors ever do anything immoral or illegal.

Probably about as often as cops. The big difference there is they don't then proceed to kill their student.

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billvon

>Hmm - I wonder if teachers and professors ever do anything immoral or illegal.

Probably about as often as cops. The big difference there is they don't then proceed to kill their student.

Naw - just ruin their lives.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

***>Hmm - I wonder if teachers and professors ever do anything immoral or illegal.

Probably about as often as cops. The big difference there is they don't then proceed to kill their student.

Naw - just ruin their lives.

Is it possible that this is the same turtlespeed who just today criticized others for using one-liners?

Or are you a victim of identity theft? (Better check your credit card accounts).

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

******>Hmm - I wonder if teachers and professors ever do anything immoral or illegal.

Probably about as often as cops. The big difference there is they don't then proceed to kill their student.

Naw - just ruin their lives.

Is it possible that this is the same turtlespeed who just today criticized others for using one-liners?

Or are you a victim of identity theft? (Better check your credit card accounts).

It is a one liner - but not a blatant protected attack on another poster.

I actually stay with the subject of the post as opposed to just blatantly attacking the poster with insults.

You should try it.

People besides the mods might respect worship you more.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 2,990]

>Naw - just ruin their lives.

Fortunately dead men tell no tales . . . .

[SkyDekker 1,465]

There are lots of cops who have ruined lives without killing people.

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SkyDekker

There are lots of cops who have ruined lives without killing people.

I'd bet there are more that have "taught" them into a ruined life.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Yeah? How do you figure that?

How have teachers and professors ruined people's lives in these mass quantities?

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SkyDekker

Yeah? How do you figure that?

How have teachers and professors ruined people's lives in these mass quantities?

Who said " mass quantities "? Are you suggesting that police ruin people's lives in mass quantities? What number are you thinking of that would be a mass quantity in this case?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

***Yeah? How do you figure that?

How have teachers and professors ruined people's lives in these mass quantities?

Who said " mass quantities "? Are you suggesting that police ruin people's lives in mass quantities? What number are you thinking of that would be a mass quantity in this case?

Nice duck.

How are teachers and professors ruining lives?

[normiss 798]

This is how you handle an unjustified trooper shooting an unarmed civilian.

Ask for the wallet, then shoot the guy for getting his wallet.

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normiss

This is how you handle an unjustified trooper shooting an unarmed civilian.

Ask for the wallet, then shoot the guy for getting his wallet.

At least this time the cop got charged and terminated from employment.

[GeorgiaDon 362]

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I'd bet there are more that have "taught" them into a ruined life.

I teach courses in medical entomology, parasitology, public health, and biotechnology to hundreds of students each semester. As far as I am aware, you have never attended a single one of my lectures or labs. I am curious about how, exactly, I am "ruining" my student's lives, and just how you would know this.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[Andy9o8 2]

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I teach courses in medical entomology,

I'll bet that really bugs him.

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Andy9o8

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I teach courses in medical entomology,

I'll bet that really bugs him.

I'm sure it'll tick him off.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

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GeorgiaDon

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I teach courses in medical entomology,

I'll bet that really bugs him.

I'm sure it'll tick him off.
...in a nit-picking way.

[DanG 1]

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I teach courses in medical entomology, parasitology, public health, and biotechnology to hundreds of students each semester. As far as I am aware, you have never attended a single one of my lectures or labs. I am curious about how, exactly, I am "ruining" my student's lives, and just how you would know this.

Don

Obviously you subtly warp their little minds with your liberal ideology. After one of your classes, all your students want to do is get high and live off welfare. Duh.

- Dan G

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SkyDekker

******Yeah? How do you figure that?

How have teachers and professors ruined people's lives in these mass quantities?

Who said " mass quantities "? Are you suggesting that police ruin people's lives in mass quantities? What number are you thinking of that would be a mass quantity in this case?

Nice duck.

How are teachers and professors ruining lives?

Here is a list of some.

NOT saying it is exclusive to women teachers - In NO WAY am I implying that at all.
It is only the first list I found.

There are several other instances I can find.

I'd bet about te same as cop incidents that are real.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[skycop 0]

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This is how you handle an unjustified trooper shooting an unarmed civilian.

Ask for the wallet, then shoot the guy for getting his wallet.

No this is not how you handle the situation, the trooper was terminated and criminally charged.
There is no excuse, the trooper panicked, plain and simple.
The only difference is in this line of work you make a mistake people can die or you can be criminally charged.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 798]

Yessir I understand that.

I can't imagine how tough that is at times.

[cvfd1399 0]

Say your best instructor at your dropzone panicked on landing for whatever reason, and turned into someone and killed them, would you have such a hard on for them getting 20 years in jail, and ruining their lives. Just like a cop we are all charged with not killing eachother especially an instructor.

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cvfd1399

Say your best instructor at your dropzone panicked on landing for whatever reason, and turned into someone and killed them, would you have such a hard on for them getting 20 years in jail, and ruining their lives. Just like a cop we are all charged with not killing eachother especially an instructor.

To make it more accurate, how about the instructor told someone to stand in a certain place, then flew into them and killed them?

Do we need to drive with our license clenched in our teeth, so that should we get pulled over we won't have to reach into a pocket or onto the car seat to get our wallet?

In the incident in question, the driver was told to get his license. When he turned and reached into the car to get his license, the officer screamed "get out of the car" and immediately (or at least within significantly less than 1 second) began shooting. It is not physically possible to hear the command, understand it (especially screamed in such a hysterical manner), check your forward momentum, and back out all in a fraction of a second.

It seems to me that a common theme in several highly publicized police shootings recently is that the interval between an order being screamed and the trigger pulled is shorter than it is possible for anyone to comply. "getdownonthegroundBLAM". If I'm getting out of my car in my own garage, and struggling with a bum leg and a cane to boot, and out of the darkness an unidentified voice barks an order for me to get on the ground, you can be reasonably sure it will take more than 10 milliseconds for me to comply. Perhaps you recall the incident.

Maybe police should practice this on themselves from time to time, just for fun. Sneak up on one another, out of the blue scream "get down on the ground", and if your fellow officer does not comply with 1/2 of a second taze him. To make it more interesting, do it in a shopping center when he is off duty, has a bag of groceries in his hands, and is standing over a big puddle.

Then there is the issue of police bashing someones face into the pavement, or punching them over and over, or wailing away at them with an asp baton, and expecting people to lay motionless and just take it. Any attempt to ward off the blows is taken as non-compliance, and is an excuse for more beating. I suggest officers have a training exercise that involves remaining absolutely motionless while someone kneels on their chest and pounds their face. Good for the goose/good for the gander and all that.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[cvfd1399 0]

Your missing the point completely. It's not that I'm saying the cop was justified. It's just that he made a mistake, he diddnt premeditate a murder, but people here put out a vibe that spews hate for the cop and can't wait to see him put in jail. They can't fathom a human making a mistake even if they are paid to do it. Not one person commented on the post where I showed cops getting shot in a SPLIT second showing that they work on a different playing field than they do. They don't have to worry about their copy machine killing them at their job if you have never been an officer or combat veteran you can not imagine.

[GeorgiaDon 362]

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Your missing the point completely.

I think you're missing the point.

I appreciate that cops sometimes have to make split second decisions, and that means sometimes they will get it wrong. In the particular incident that started this thread, I don't think the cop pulled the guy over with any intention of shooting him. I also don't think a 20 year sentence is warranted by the circumstances. What punishment is appropriate I'll leave to the courts. However, I do think that if the cop's judgement is that poor, and he is so jumpy that he shoots people for complying with his orders, then it is just too much risk to the public to have that guy in that job.

My point was that police training seems to be so poor that, once on the street, cops have little understanding of people behaving as people. I'm sure in their "normal" (off duty) lives cops would never expect to be able to beat on someone and not have that person even raise their hands to protect themselves, yet once they put on the uniform they expect people to stand (or lay) perfectly still while their face is being rearranged. They expect instantaneous compliance with orders barked out of the blue, such that by the time your brain has even processed the signal from your ears it's already too late. Do they really expect people to literally throw themselves face down on the ground instantly on command?

I suspect there is a level of circularity in what is happening with policing today: cops treat the public as if we are all thugs, people don't respond well to being treated as if they were a thug, and cops use that hostility to justify treating everybody like a thug. I believe 90% or more of the incidents that culminate in police shootings could have been avoided if cops had not escalated tension from the very start. That doesn't even begin to address the piss-poor training on how to deal with mentally ill subjects.

I do understand that not all cops display the attitude I'm complaining about. I think we rarely read about such cops because they handle matters competently and effectively, and that rarely makes for news stories. Unfortunately, one cop with an "I'm the sheep-dog and you're all just sheep" attitude does more damage than 20 good cops can repair.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)