normiss 798 #301 December 5, 2014 As if they don't already know the driver is a concealed carry permit holder before they get out of their car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #302 December 5, 2014 normiss As if they don't already know the driver is a concealed carry permit holder before they get out of their car. They already know around here."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #303 December 5, 2014 How do they know? In Louisiana when your license plate of your car is ran it only comes up with a name of the registered owner, they would then need to copy and paste that name back into the system manually to pull up your DL, but that doesn't even mean that the owner is the current driver...... Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #304 December 5, 2014 AnvilbrotherHow do they know? In Louisiana when your license plate of your car is ran it only comes up with a name of the registered owner, they would then need to copy and paste that name back into the system manually to pull up your DL, but that doesn't even mean that the owner is the current driver...... I don't know how, but I know positively that they do. I'll ask the cop-next-door next time I see him."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #305 December 5, 2014 Ok cool. Let me know what state also. I could see a cop shooting someone with this knowledge. Pulled over a car, ran plate, found out person has CHL. Cop immediatly has heightened awareness for a possible weapon, person steps out and reaches for wallet, cops shoots person thinking they were going for that gun. Come to find out the owner has a CHL, not the current driver. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #306 December 5, 2014 Are you telling us that cops fear legal gun owners? Here in FL, they know when they run the plates. I've been asked when they approached the vehicle if I had a weapon on me and where it was located. They get a little excited when you keep your papers in the same location for some reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #307 December 5, 2014 "Citizen's Academy" was intended to be a ridiculous concept. It's a place where everyone besides police would have to go to learn each and every thing LEOs are taught to watch for in terms of actions and body language when determining ill intent, thereby allowing them to avoid doing all those things. It makes no sense to claim that all the things you shouldn't do are "common sense" (a lazy term term I don't care for regardless) because if that were the case then police wouldn't require any training on when to draw their weapon or when to fire it, it would also be "common sense" right? Compliance is great, but if you think police are on edge because everyone they talk to might have a weapon then how do you think many people are starting to feel knowing that every LEO that talks to them does have a weapon... and is on edge. Compliance is non-trivial if you've got the stress of someone pointing a gun at you and said LEO doesn't ask for what he or she actually wants. Consider the two scenarios... "Get your hands above your head! Let me see your driver's license!" "Get your hands above your head! Where is your driver's license?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #308 December 5, 2014 QuoteHere in FL, they know when they run the plates. I've been asked when they approached the vehicle if I had a weapon on me and where it was located. They get a little excited when you keep your papers in the same location for some reason. No you just did. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #309 December 5, 2014 whatever that means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #310 December 5, 2014 >Are you telling us that cops fear legal gun owners? And legal gun owners fear cops due to their recent militarization and potential for overreaction. So now both can shoot each other - and it's perfectly justifiable in both cases. "I saw he was a CHL holder, so I got out of the squad car with my gun drawn, and he pulled a gun on me! Of course I shot him. I have a wife and kids to think of." "My brother was shot and killed by a cop for no reason, so when I saw the cop getting out of his car and aiming a gun at me with no provocation, of course I shot him! I have a right to protect myself." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #311 December 5, 2014 billvon>Are you telling us that cops fear legal gun owners? And legal gun owners fear cops due to their recent militarization and potential for overreaction. So now both can shoot each other - and it's perfectly justifiable in both cases. "I saw he was a CHL holder, so I got out of the squad car with my gun drawn, and he pulled a gun on me! Of course I shot him. I have a wife and kids to think of." "My brother was shot and killed by a cop for no reason, so when I saw the cop getting out of his car and aiming a gun at me with no provocation, of course I shot him! I have a right to protect myself." But... but... we're not going to get an OK Corral mentality - the NRA told us so.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #312 December 5, 2014 Interesting use of irony in a police discussion. IIRC, the biggest issue to the shootout was the law taking the law into their own hands after not liking the legal results. Spot on topic sir. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #313 December 6, 2014 kallend*** When I get pulled over I always... That there statement says a whole lot about you. So what you're saying is that you're too good to get pulled over? 1 ticket in the past 18 months. Yeah that's really telling a story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #314 December 6, 2014 regulator ****** When I get pulled over I always... That there statement says a whole lot about you. So what you're saying is that you're too good to get pulled over? Apparently you expect to be pulled over because you already have a rehearsed response: "I always...".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #315 December 7, 2014 Anyone that has a CHL is trained on how to display their license in a proper manner to an LEO. I think you are confusing training over having a propensity to get pulled over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #316 December 7, 2014 Your forgetting his debate tactics are to ignore common sense and only try to incite and infuriate people. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #317 December 7, 2014 regulatorAnyone that has a CHL is trained on how to display their license in a proper manner to an LEO. I think you are confusing training over having a propensity to get pulled over. "When I get pulled over I always..." Nothing there about training. It's about what you ALWAYS do WHEN you are pulled over.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #318 December 7, 2014 QuoteYour forgetting his debate tactics are to ignore common sense and only try to incite and infuriate people. I thought you were against personal attacks. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #319 December 7, 2014 Not anymore just would like a fair fight with both hands...anywho it wasn't an attack he clearly ignores your side and just throws out side arguements. It's cool tho. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #320 December 10, 2014 AnvilbrotherYour forgetting his debate tactics are to ignore common sense and only try to incite and infuriate people. I am happy my common sense doesn't include having to worry about getting shot by the police, because I am getting my driver's license. That's some great freedom you guys have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #321 December 10, 2014 You're white, no worries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #322 December 10, 2014 Yea because Canada is perfecthttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/dumas-family-sues-winnipeg-police-for-wrongful-death-1.637764 Matthew Dumas murdered by Canadian police for holding a screwdriver. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-police-officer-charged-with-murder-1.1155129 Canadian cops murder innocent black male. Officers charged with manslaughter, then second degree murder, only to be let off and the shooting called "accidental". http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/28/michael-eligon-toronto-police-shooting_n_4355479.html Ooh look another person shot and killed. A mental escape person holding a pair of scissors was shot and killed by Canadian police. http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=804912c6-2fcc-4c31-86d9-6905a0b52de3 Jeffrey Hughes, murdered by Canadian police for holding a bright orange flare gun. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/woman-shot-by-edmonton-police-had-fake-gun-1.923649 Berndatte Auger mentally ill person shot to death holding a fake replica gun. http://www.torontolife.com/informer/features/2014/08/14/the-killing-sammy-yatim/ Man shot 8 times for holding a 3 inch knife at the back of an empty street car. Cop first called for a taser and stated the situation could be contained, but then fired 8 times and killed the man. Cop was charged with second degree murder and is awaiting trial in 2015. I dont feel like doing the work for you anymore, here are a few more. -One killed holding pellet gun -One killed holding a table leg -One killed by being rolled over by a police car -The latest one was killed by holding a 2x4 piece of DEADLY lumber........ Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #323 December 10, 2014 You had to go back YEARS to get some of those. Since that 2007 Dumas killing in Canada, some 2,800 people have been killed by cops in the US.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #324 December 10, 2014 Notice the biggest difference? Cops get CHARGED for murdering people there. We could use some of that here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #325 December 10, 2014 Quotesome of those Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
