Another Death Row inmate cleared (after 30 years)

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www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-overturns-murder-rape-convictions-for-2-who-served-30-years/

Two cleared, one of them was still on Death Row.

And some people on here want executions speeded up! It's quite obvious that the criminal justice system is incapable of operating without making egregious errors.

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I'll recycle one of my previous posts on the matter:

The state can and does wrongfully (and knowingly!) prosecute and get convictions of persons not guilty of the crime they are on trial for.

The state cannot reverse the death penalty after it has been applied.

Supporting the death penalty is thus de facto support for non-defensive homicide.

I cannot support non-defensive homicide, thus I cannot support the death penalty. I'm not willing to be wrongly murdered for our shitty, fucked up system, and it would be ridiculous to expect anyone else to.

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On top of that, the death penalty is purely based in emotion, not logic or reason, and emotion has no place in the "justice" system.

cavete terrae.

[normiss 803]

Well said and I fully agree.

[riggerrob 643]

Agreed
The more I learn about the legal industry the less I trust it.

[Arvoitus 1]

Damn, didn't even need to open the link to know it was going to be bunch of low IQ black dudes.

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

[tkhayes 348]

+1

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How many mistakes like this need to be caught until something changes?

Probably not until a rich white guy is wrongly murdered by the state.

[Andy9o8 2]

People sometimes wonder why Scalia sickens me so much, so often. Here's just one example of why:

Scalia Once Pushed Death Penalty For Now-Exonerated Inmate Henry Lee McCollum

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From the article:

Blackmun wrote: "Our system of capital punishment simply does not accurately and consistently determine which defendants most 'deserve' to die."

I totally agree with this. I have no philosophical issues with the death penalty. As much as I respect - and mostly agree - with the viewpoints expressed here, my problem has been with the application of the death penalty.

In my world, the death penalty ould be reserved for people who kill in prison or cause people to be killed from prison. Period. If a person is in prison and still kills somebody, I think it is misanthropic to give that person a long life to kill others.

What is recommended for people who kill others while in prison? Put the person in solitary for life? That, I think, is absolutely an 8th Amendment violation. It's also, I would think, a due process violation. Many believe it to be a type of torture.

So what to do? Lock them aay from all human contact in an 8 x 10 concrete cell with no access to anyone? Put them back in with the prison population where they've already killed someone? Execute them?

It's a big what if? There is no easy answer.

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What if they were wrongly convicted of a crime that put them in prison in the first place and killed another inmate when they were in there?

there are just too many grey areas for something as final as the death penalty (IMO).
It only morally works with 100% certainty, and that's the issue for me. I have no particular moral problem with killing a murderer or rapist. I do have massive issues with accidentally killing the wrong person for it, and my insistence on the latter outweighs the logic of the former. It has to.

[JerryBaumchen 1,368]

Hi Andy,

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why Scalia sickens me

I could not agree more. Scalia sickens me because he thinks he is so much better than the rest of us.

JerryBaumchen

[Andy9o8 2]

The core foundation of my objection to the death penalty is a lot more basic: I don't think society should debase itself down to the level of the murderer it punishes by killing him; for if it does, it is no better than he is. Society as a formal collective is supposed to operate at level higher than the base animal emotions of the individual.

And that's how I'm able to reconcile wanting to personally burn at the stake anyone who ever murdered one of my loved ones, while still adamantly opposed to society-imposed capital punishment, even against those we're really, really certain committed murder.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

well said and agreed

[turtlespeed 221]

Andy9o8

The core foundation of my objection to the death penalty is a lot more basic: I don't think society should debase itself down to the level of the murderer it punishes by killing him; for if it does, it is no better than he is. Society as a formal collective is supposed to operate at level higher than the base animal emotions of the individual.

And that's how I'm able to reconcile wanting to personally burn at the stake anyone who ever murdered one of my loved ones, while still adamantly opposed to society-imposed capital punishment, even against those we're really, really certain committed murder.

So you are saying that these guys (Journalist Killers) . . .

. . . don't deserve the death penalty, but if the victim was your family, they should be burned at the stake.

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[Andy9o8 2]

turtlespeed

***The core foundation of my objection to the death penalty is a lot more basic: I don't think society should debase itself down to the level of the murderer it punishes by killing him; for if it does, it is no better than he is. Society as a formal collective is supposed to operate at level higher than the base animal emotions of the individual.

And that's how I'm able to reconcile wanting to personally burn at the stake anyone who ever murdered one of my loved ones, while still adamantly opposed to society-imposed capital punishment, even against those we're really, really certain committed murder.

So you are saying that these guys (Journalist Killers) . . .

. . . don't deserve the death penalty, but if the victim was your family, they should be burned at the stake.

Of course they deserve it, Clint. I don't know those butchered journalists or their families, but even now I feel incredible personal rage toward their murderers. And as an individual, acting solely on behalf of myself, I'd be the first one to immolate them - if I could. I would be acting out of pure blood lust, governed principally by my lizard brain, and probably without much moral regret. But the formal collective of our society should not bring itself down to the level of my individual animal rage, or to the level of the scum that victimizes us. To my mind, that's part of what separates the most civilized of the world's societies from... those that are less so.

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