Skyrad 0 #1 September 11, 2014 So the people of Scotland are to vote on the 18th Sept on leaving the UK. Despite having had several Scottish Prime Ministers if the UK and free healthcare prescriptions paid for by the rest of the UK (Who have to pay for theirs), and free University education paid for by the rest of the UK (Who have to pay around £9,000 a year for theirs) our tartan clad brothers feel oppressed. And so they're taking a vote on leaving the Uk. If they do they will have no currency of their own, no chance of joining the EU (as they have no currency or underwriting central bank). Their ecumenic decisions will be made by the UK and they will have no say on them. They may lose the monarchy, they will have to hand in their UK passports, they will have no freedom of movement across the UK and the EU. Already there has been a massive movement of money out of Scotland just in case of a YES vote. Their top three banks have said they'll move south to England. If they set up their own currency they'll have to build up a reserve which will mean austerity measures and anyone having purchased a house in Sterling (GBP not the place) will be screwed by the exchange rate and most likely lose their property. No one will have to take away their freedom because they will have given it away themselves and voted themselves into subjection. Funny old world isn't it.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #2 September 11, 2014 Nobody ever said starting a new country was easy. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #3 September 11, 2014 On the bright side, they'll need a military, and that opens up a whole new market for all the surplus M-14s, M-16s and MRAPS the US has on hand, now that giving it to local cops has - how shall I say? - lost its panache. Och, anyhow, remember one saving grace: in a democracy, people get the government they deserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #4 September 11, 2014 And the Royal Bank of Scotland says it will relocate to London if the split occurs: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29151798 "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #5 September 11, 2014 Wait a second...WTH happened to free healthcare???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Backintothesky 0 #6 September 11, 2014 It's a classic "bite my own face off to spite the English" situation SkyradSo the people of Scotland are to vote on the 18th Sept on leaving the UK. Despite having had several Scottish Prime Ministers if the UK and free healthcare prescriptions paid for by the rest of the UK (Who have to pay for theirs), and free University education paid for by the rest of the UK (Who have to pay around £9,000 a year for theirs) our tartan clad brothers feel oppressed. And so they're taking a vote on leaving the Uk. If they do they will have no currency of their own, no chance of joining the EU (as they have no currency or underwriting central bank). Their ecumenic decisions will be made by the UK and they will have no say on them. They may lose the monarchy, they will have to hand in their UK passports, they will have no freedom of movement across the UK and the EU. Already there has been a massive movement of money out of Scotland just in case of a YES vote. Their top three banks have said they'll move south to England. If they set up their own currency they'll have to build up a reserve which will mean austerity measures and anyone having purchased a house in Sterling (GBP not the place) will be screwed by the exchange rate and most likely lose their property. No one will have to take away their freedom because they will have given it away themselves and voted themselves into subjection. Funny old world isn't it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #7 September 11, 2014 Andy9o8On the bright side, they'll need a military, and that opens up a whole new market for all the surplus M-14s, M-16s and MRAPS the US has on hand, now that giving it to local cops has - how shall I say? - lost its panache. Och, anyhow, remember one saving grace: in a democracy, people get the government they deserve. No need for weapons. With kilts they can moon the enemy into submission, like in Braveheart, and bagpipes will cause the enemies' heads to explode.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #8 September 11, 2014 This sort of reactionary propaganda reminds me of the stuff spewed by anglophone federalists (my tribe) every time Quebec threatened to separate from the rest of Canada? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #9 September 11, 2014 LOL... Yep you're all right. Its bloody bonkers.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #10 September 11, 2014 Except its actually fact, Lloyds Bank had 1.7 Billion wiped off its shares on Monday just from a poll saying there was a 51% YES majority. RBS are saying they'll head to England. Two other large firms said today they'll put their prices up in Scotland. A YES vote would be a disaster all round.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #11 September 11, 2014 That also reminds me of Quebec's threats to separate. When separatists politicians got loud and obnoxious -during the 1960s - several large banks and major corporations moved their headquarters to Toronto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #12 September 11, 2014 Skyrad Except its actually fact, Lloyds Bank had 1.7 Billion wiped off its shares on Monday just from a poll saying there was a 51% YES majority. RBS are saying they'll head to England. Two other large firms said today they'll put their prices up in Scotland. A YES vote would be a disaster all round. SOOO the corporate interests are trying to scare the citizens with fear mongering... and to hell with the will of the people.. so much for democracy and self determination. With that large a proportion of the land of the Isles... and the resources.. and the abilities of the people of Scotland I think they will manage no matter which way they vote... but ultimately it is THEIR choice. Their leaving the UK will hurt the English far worse .. hence all the scare tactics. Oh.. and Scots MEN.... in my experience do not need jocks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #13 September 11, 2014 riggerrobThat also reminds me of Quebec's threats to separate. When separatists politicians got loud and obnoxious -during the 1960s - several large banks and major corporations moved their headquarters to Toronto. "Moved". The famed Sunlife line-up of Brinks trucks was all for show.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #14 September 11, 2014 Remster***That also reminds me of Quebec's threats to separate. When separatists politicians got loud and obnoxious -during the 1960s - several large banks and major corporations moved their headquarters to Toronto. "Moved". The famed Sunlife line-up of Brinks trucks was all for show. ...................................................................... Some of that "big money " continued moving west to Calgary where it was invested in the oil industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #15 September 11, 2014 If Scotland votes "Yes", you think Wales will be next? "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #16 September 11, 2014 >On the bright side, they'll need a military, and that opens up a whole new market >for all the surplus M-14s, M-16s and MRAPS the US has on hand, now that giving >it to local cops has - how shall I say? - lost its panache. And it has a bright side for other countries as well. Russia really needs another warm-water port . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #17 September 11, 2014 billvon>On the bright side, they'll need a military, and that opens up a whole new market >for all the surplus M-14s, M-16s and MRAPS the US has on hand, now that giving >it to local cops has - how shall I say? - lost its panache. And it has a bright side for other countries as well. Russia really needs another warm-water port . . . "Warm" being a relative term.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 September 11, 2014 ryoder If Scotland votes "Yes", you think Wales will be next? That'll be a rare bit if it does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #19 September 11, 2014 Andy9o8 ***If Scotland votes "Yes", you think Wales will be next? That'll be a rare bit if it does. They'll welch on the agreement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #20 September 11, 2014 kallend ******If Scotland votes "Yes", you think Wales will be next? That'll be a rare bit if it does. They'll welch on the agreement. Which will send them off-kilter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #21 September 11, 2014 Amazon ***Except its actually fact, Lloyds Bank had 1.7 Billion wiped off its shares on Monday just from a poll saying there was a 51% YES majority. RBS are saying they'll head to England. Two other large firms said today they'll put their prices up in Scotland. A YES vote would be a disaster all round. SOOO the corporate interests are trying to scare the citizens with fear mongering... and to hell with the will of the people.. so much for democracy and self determination. With that large a proportion of the land of the Isles... and the resources.. and the abilities of the people of Scotland I think they will manage no matter which way they vote... but ultimately it is THEIR choice. Their leaving the UK will hurt the English far worse .. hence all the scare tactics. Oh.. and Scots MEN.... in my experience do not need jocks LOL... Yes I'm sure that with their dwindling oil resources (Some of which they will have to give to the UK seeing as we paid for 90% of the investment), the fact that we the Uk would no longer have to pay for their free education and healthcare will see us (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) much worse off... Not. Theres only 5 million people living in Scotland and 60 million across the rest of the UK. They will be screwed without the UK where as the UK will eventually be richer (plus we won't have to share our shale gas with them) :)When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #22 September 11, 2014 ryoder If Scotland votes "Yes", you think Wales will be next? Good question but no I don't think so, Wales simply hasn't got the industry and numbers to go it alone. I think that eventually NI will go but only if the Republic of Ireland will take them and theres no appetite for that in reality at the moment.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #23 September 11, 2014 billvon>On the bright side, they'll need a military, and that opens up a whole new market >for all the surplus M-14s, M-16s and MRAPS the US has on hand, now that giving >it to local cops has - how shall I say? - lost its panache. And it has a bright side for other countries as well. Russia really needs another warm-water port . . . There is that, outside of the UK, Europe and NATO with no effective military and a sweet spot on NATOs northern flank Scotland would do well to watch they don't become the next Ukraine.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,363 #24 September 11, 2014 Hi Sky, Quotethe people of Scotland are to vote on the 18th Sept Interestingly, I was just talking to a British couple this Sunday about this. They just shook their heads; as in 'How stupid can you be?' The guy said that they should not have made it a simple majority of the vote to leave ( 50+% ) but should have made it something on the order of 2/3s or more. As an outside observer, I think they would be nutz to leave. That is also how I have felt about Quebec leaving Canada. JerryBaumchen PS) Sep 18th is my birthday, so I hope that they do the smart thing. And for those who might care, it is also the US Air Force birthday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #25 September 11, 2014 This is from a post in the Scottish Families' Forum that I am using to track down dead ancestors on.. I am not sure where it was posted originally BUT food for actual thought QuoteSOME PERTINENT FACTS THAT SUPPORT THE "YES" VOTE : Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3% But we DO have... 32% of the land area. 61% of the sea area. 90% of the fresh water. 65% of the natural gas production. 96.5% of the crude oil production. 47% of the open cast coal production 81% of the untapped coal reserves 62% of the timber production 46% of the total forest area 92% of the hydro electric production 40% of the wind wave and solar energy production 60% of the fish landings 30% of the beef herd 20% of the sheep herd 9% of the dairy herd 10% of the pig herd 15% if the cereal holdings 20% of the potato holdings ...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whisky industry. We have a... 17 billion pound construction industry 13 billion food and drink industry 10 billion business services industry 9.3 billion chemical services industry A 9.3 billion tourism industry 7 billion financial services industry 5 billion aeroservice industry 4.5 billion pound whisky exports industry 3.1 billion pound life sciences industry Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential. And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves. All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK's population... Whaow Scotland should be rich! IGNORANCE... If you hear anyone saying "I DONT LIKE ALEX SALMOND" or "I DONT LIKE SNP"... THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP. DONT LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY. Do you know... This is the UK's legacy of success in our history of being better-together is as follows... The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU's 28 countries The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe. The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet! But surely these awful figures cannot be possible when you read the following Scottish statistics... Now, finally, did you also know that in all of the UK's elections for Westminster ever!... Not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have no democracy here!!! 4 decades of tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds if thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster's Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was "let the markets decide". Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of "let the markets decide". FACTS: Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn't want! Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against our countries wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out a out the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (Ok for the Clyde though) Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nations government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway! Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone! Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day! Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they'd be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they'd have us believe? Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. Thats another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for. Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have. SCOTLAND, WHAT ARE WE SCARED OF? WE HAVE A CHANCE... WITHOUT A SINGLE BULLET BEING FIRED, WITHOUT A SINGLE DEATH... TO GET OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CROSS IN THE YES BOX. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites