The Independent People's Republic of Jockistan

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michalm21

From a political standpoint (and for someone who does not live there) this would an interesting thing to happen. Quite fascinating, to be honest, to watch a country separate from the UK. But it's easy to just watch from the sidelines, not having any vested interest ...

true it would have been fascinating, even I would have found it so but I fear that it may well have been fascinating like a car wreck on the other side of the freeway. If Scotland ever does want to go it alone good luck to them but for God's sake do it in a way that has been properly thought out. I'm glad they voted no. The Scots don't put the Great into Britain but its there because we stand together shoulder to shoulder with each other.

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kallend

*** (The UK will continue to exist but will comprise of England, Wales and Northern Ireland)

But only England and Scotland are kingdoms. Wales is a principality and N. Ireland is something else. Take one kingdom away and unite England with itself?

You are a naughty boy John

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muff528

****** (The UK will continue to exist but will comprise of England, Wales and Northern Ireland)

But only England and Scotland are kingdoms. Wales is a principality and N. Ireland is something else. Take one kingdom away and unite England with itself?

Is the meaning of "UK" a union of kingdoms? Or does it mean a kingdom that is a union of several different political entities, two of which happened to be kingdoms? As an outsider I've Never given it much thought but just assumed it meant England, Wales, Scotland, etc., etc.

Its both. Actually Wales although its a Principality is covered under the constitutional definition of the UK hence the 'United Kingdom and Northern Ireland'.

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Andy9o8

The first Liz would have seceded Salmond's head. At last back in the day the English understood that they pissed the provinces off.

Its a Union old chap, the Scots are not subservient to us any more than the Welsh or Northern Irish are.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi John,

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Common sense triumphed over emotion

Makes one think that there is still hope for this old world of ours.

JerryBaumchen

PS) I am currently watching the Ken Burns tv series on 'The Roosevelts' and hope is what last night's program was all about.

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Skyrad

***The first Liz would have seceded Salmond's head. At last back in the day the English understood that they pissed the provinces off.

Its a Union old chap, the Scots are not subservient to us any more than the Welsh or Northern Irish are.

If anything the reverse is the case: Scots and Irish MPs get to vote on all English laws. However, the Scots and N. Irish ALSO have their own parliaments with considerable autonomy over their own laws.

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[Backintothesky 0]

Hence the uproar now as Westminster have promised Scotland EVEN MORE money - despite the fact they already get more than England anyway.

There's going to be a lot of bitterness all round and there are now calls for devolution for England.

kallend

If anything the reverse is the case: Scots and Irish MPs get to vote on all English laws. However, the Scots and N. Irish ALSO have their own parliaments with considerable autonomy over their own laws.

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kallend

******The first Liz would have seceded Salmond's head. At last back in the day the English understood that they pissed the provinces off.

Its a Union old chap, the Scots are not subservient to us any more than the Welsh or Northern Irish are.

If anything the reverse is the case: Scots and Irish MPs get to vote on all English laws. However, the Scots and N. Irish ALSO have their own parliaments with considerable autonomy over their own laws.

Plus they get a lot more spent on them per head than the English even though the majority of the money is payed in by the English.

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Skyrad

*********The first Liz would have seceded Salmond's head. At last back in the day the English understood that they pissed the provinces off.

Its a Union old chap, the Scots are not subservient to us any more than the Welsh or Northern Irish are.

If anything the reverse is the case: Scots and Irish MPs get to vote on all English laws. However, the Scots and N. Irish ALSO have their own parliaments with considerable autonomy over their own laws.

Plus they get a lot more spent on them per head than the English even though the majority of the money is payed in by the English.

Rather like the "red states" in the US are being subsidized by the "blue states".

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[Quagmirian 40]

Skyrad

Plus they get a lot more spent on them per head than the English even though the majority of the money is payed in by the English.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

[Backintothesky 0]

Is it a good thing? A fair thing?

The danger here is that there will be a growing resentment of the Scots from the English, not only for all the mud they slung during the independence campaign but also because they are now going to receive even more money than the English.

Even the creator of the Barnett Formula that gave the Scots more spending per head is now saying that he wishes it was scrapped and can't believe it is still being used now.

Quagmirian

***Plus they get a lot more spent on them per head than the English even though the majority of the money is payed in by the English.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

[kallend 2,027]

And now Salmond is showing himself to be a sore loser.

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No surprises there then.

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[nacmacfeegle 0]

It all depends on who's numbers you believe, as an example one set says..
With 8.4% of the UK population, Scotland has on average been responsible for 9.12% of Britain’s tax revenues. That’s 109% of a "fair" share per head of population. Over the same period, the people of England have on average produced 102% of their share, Northern Ireland 87% and Wales just 73%.

Anyhoo, it doesn't matter we (me included) voted to stay, and have been promised new powers.
I'm personally looking forward to X-ray vision, and the ability to leap over tall buildings.

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kallend

And now Salmond is showing himself to be a sore loser.

From the perspective of someone who has no dog in the fight, it appears that in equal measure the Tories are acting like sore winners.

Cameron on the morning after the vote: "Oh, one more thing...."
Yeah, that really enhanced his credibility....

[wmw999 2,447]

Good to see you around!

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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nacmacfeegle

Anyhoo, it doesn't matter we (me included) voted to stay, and have been promised new powers.
I'm personally looking forward to X-ray vision, and the ability to leap over tall buildings.

That's just silly... Go with flight!

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nacmacfeegle

Anyhoo, it doesn't matter we (me included) voted to stay, and have been promised new powers.
I'm personally looking forward to X-ray vision, and the ability to leap over tall buildings.

You don't have that already? What kind of skydiver are you?

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