New Light to Shine on the State Department

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GeorgiaDon

***Nope doesn't bother me at all.

Interesting.

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1. Jesus was by any possible measure an extreme socialist. He wanted the rich to give all their wealth to the poor, he cured people of diseases and even brought them back from the dead without requiring payment, he fed people without requiring payment, and on and on.

But he did not govern. He was a philanthropist.
Also . . . he helped people to help themselves.
He fed people because it would be rude not to.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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SkyDekker

Most churches clearly dictate what they expect from their members. Giving money, helping the poor, helping the disabled, sharing for the greater good, etc are all pretty much the same across all denominations. They are all also pretty socialistic.

churches? meh
just another social control structure and I think they actually, subtly and indirectly (but it feeds to the mindset), contribute to the whole problem of people thinking they can dictate morally legislatively. Just because your worship at something official, or worship at another alter of 'social consciousness' or whatever, in any case it sets up a "I know who others should act" type of mindset. The goal should be to encourage people to choose for themselves to do good things, not be lazy and just decide to force others at the point of a gun.


I'm talking about individuals, and that choosing vs being forced to do good work is very significant

However, if you don't tithe to a church enough, I don't think they can go after your paycheck or put you in jail....that's a pretty huge departure from just being semantics

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churches? meh
just another social control structure

Right. And Ron belongs to one, yet vehemently hates socialism/communism. Which is what my post was about.

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SkyDekker

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churches? meh
just another social control structure

Right. And Ron belongs to one, yet vehemently hates socialism/communism. Which is what my post was about.

no kidding. And I find lots of screwed up things in organized religion and overly devout people also.

Yet I still stand by the idea that encouraging good works or setting expectations is infinitely different that forcing it under law. If his church has a policy to lock up members if they don't work in the soup kitchen, then I'll agree with your premise.



My point was more specific to the mechanism of good work and the way it's done and its implications/impact.
I'd rather talk about those kinds of concepts rather than just participate in the back and forth bashfest that's popular here. have fun, though. entertainment is entertainment for sure

every single poster here has multiple times stated things that conflict or done things that conflict with their stated self assessments. doesn't mean any of them are terrible people. I find it a waste of (a LOT) of energy

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[RonD1120 62]

Wow! You took the words right out of my mouth.

Individual giving and sharing vs. government mandated distribution of wealth.

It is amazing that so many of these intellectually elite just don't get it.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

Churches are not social control structures. Giving is always voluntary. Free will is a major factor in the Christian faith.

Your serve, eh. Provide me with an onslaught of examples where somebody you knew or who knew somebody that felt coerced to give. I know it's coming, eh.

Keep the tangent away from the focus on the State Department, eh.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

Wow! You took the words right out of my mouth.

Individual giving and sharing vs. government mandated distribution of wealth.

It is amazing that so many of these intellectually elite just don't get it.

actually, I'm not following the thread from the top. I was ONLY commenting on the whole "religion/Jesus is a socialist concept". jumped in at the halfway point

It's really wrong. It's based on a misconception that doing good for others is only a socialist position and not possible under any other social structure. Which is crap.

For that matter, the whole leveraging religious myth as underpinning that argument is weak/goofy anyway and solely just for poster bashing. I appreciate a good bashfest, but it's really reaching.

You might get picked on less if you weren't so preachy - it's like listening to an environmentalist at times. Sometime plain talk sells better, but It's likely too late now.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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RonD1120

Churches are not social control structures. Giving is always voluntary.

yes they are - they try to control the masses to follow their vision of society

whether the giving is voluntary or not is moot


so are political parties, so are the big organized social efforts/causes, so are some really big corporate entities, so are the big organized unions, etc etc etc

they are all the same thing really -

what matters is their effect and how they go about their business.

but that is a mixed bag of good vs bad, just like everything else

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[RonD1120 62]

It is too late. Nothing has changed in over five years. Entertainment and therapy all for free, not counting the charge for Internet access.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Individual giving and sharing vs. government mandated distribution of wealth.

Except you believe that the teachings of God should govern everybody. All should be subjected to his wishes and the wishes of your church.

You would be fine with a very right wing government, with a strong christian base, if not fully "governed" by christian teachings.

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turtlespeed

******Nope doesn't bother me at all.

Interesting.

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1. Jesus was by any possible measure an extreme socialist. He wanted the rich to give all their wealth to the poor, he cured people of diseases and even brought them back from the dead without requiring payment, he fed people without requiring payment, and on and on.

But he did not govern. He was a philanthropist.
Also . . . he helped people to help themselves.
He fed people because it would be rude not to.



Also to ad a point,

He gives a choice, as opposed to where with socialism, you have no choice.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[RonD1120 62]

People to watch:
Patrick Kennedy & Cheryl Mills

"What difference does it make?" ~Hillary Clinton

The politicisation of government is rampant under the BHO administration.

My prayers are with Congressman Trey Gowdy and his investigative committee. They are facing a formidable foe.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

My prayers are with Congressman Trey Gowdy and his investigative committee. They are facing a formidable foe.

You are correct. They are trying to find something that isn't there. Reality IS a powerful foe.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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Stumpy

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My prayers are with Congressman Trey Gowdy and his investigative committee. They are facing a formidable foe.

You are correct. They are trying to find something that isn't there. Reality IS a powerful foe.

Or they are trying to find definitive proof of absolute incompetence and it is well covered by the Washington Two Step.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

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My prayers are with Congressman Trey Gowdy and his investigative committee. They are facing a formidable foe.

You are correct. They are trying to find something that isn't there. Reality IS a powerful foe.

Or they are trying to find definitive proof of absolute incompetence and it is well covered by the Washington Two Step.

Trying to find it and failing - because it isn't there, no matter how much the right would like it to be.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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Stumpy

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My prayers are with Congressman Trey Gowdy and his investigative committee. They are facing a formidable foe.

You are correct. They are trying to find something that isn't there. Reality IS a powerful foe.

Or they are trying to find definitive proof of absolute incompetence and it is well covered by the Washington Two Step.

Trying to find it and failing - because it isn't there, no matter how much the right would like it to be.

You don't know. You aren't inside the investigation, or the possible cover up, so you cannot definitively say. There are still many that are under a gag order, why is that, SPECIFICALLY?

I ask you to tell me specifically why they are under a gag order, because you obviously have some inside information on the subject of Benghazi.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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>Or they are trying to find definitive proof of absolute incompetence . . . .

And trying, and trying, and trying. Maybe the 76th time is the charm.

Or they could just try to repeal Obamacare again. They are only up to 54 times on that one.

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billvon

>Or they are trying to find definitive proof of absolute incompetence . . . .

And trying, and trying, and trying. Maybe the 76th time is the charm.

Or they could just try to repeal Obamacare again. They are only up to 54 times on that one.

Still waiting for you to tell me what make of car you drive.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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Disagree with Ron and you are neither 'Patriotic', nor 'American'.

got it.

[RonD1120 62]

I associate with folks that agree with me. You have a few foreigners that agree with you. So it goes. Does SOCOM still jump at Skydive City? I am out of the DZ loop these days. However, I see that Cliff's business is increasing.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[tkhayes 348]

I am pretty sure Cliff's business is not actually in operation. much. He is rumored to be running tandems out of Lake Wales. Last I heard his airplane needs some work. Have not actually spoken to him, but that is what some of his staff relayed to me.

As far as SOCOM goes, yes, despite your efforts, they have expanded their presence here with a new building and several new team members, many demos, and we regularly host special forces training

Glad you are out of the DZ loop actually, I could see little benefit in having you here.....

[RonD1120 62]

Very well then.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Oh yes, and yesterday, the Zephyrhills Chamber of Commerce awarded Skydive City as the Small Business of the Year at their annual banquet.....not bad for an 'unpatriotic commie canadian transplant who disagrees with ron'.

[RonD1120 62]

How things change from 1965 when the Tampa Skydivers worked hard to keep the DZ at Z-Hills. The CoC did not want us. They put us in a similar category as the Anheuser-Bush brewery. They forced the brewery to Tampa.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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tkhayes

I am pretty sure Cliff's business is not actually in operation. much. He is rumored to be running tandems out of Lake Wales. Last I heard his airplane needs some work. Have not actually spoken to him, but that is what some of his staff relayed to me.

As far as SOCOM goes, yes, despite your efforts, they have expanded their presence here with a new building and several new team members, many demos, and we regularly host special forces training

Glad you are out of the DZ loop actually, I could see little benefit in having you here.....

Agian
the tolerance of liberalism on display

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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