First Ebola Diagnosis in US

[kelpdiver 2]

jcd11235

With the benefit of hindsight, sure. In the moment? Why should she have stayed home? She didn't appear to be presenting symptoms.

99.5 is high normal. Couple that with the recent history and the diagnosis of her colleague and it is hardly reasonable to presume all is normal.

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kelpdiver

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With the benefit of hindsight, sure. In the moment? Why should she have stayed home? She didn't appear to be presenting symptoms.

99.5 is high normal. Couple that with the recent history and the diagnosis of her colleague and it is hardly reasonable to presume all is normal.

It's my understanding that ebola isn't contagious until symptoms are presented. And I don't recall seeing anything that suggested that she had reason to believe that her on the job safety precautions were ineffective.

Hindsight is 20/20.

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Complete bullshit.....absolute bullshit! If you just got done treating a guy with Ebola who died, you stay your ass at home for 21 days. You monitor yourself daily for signs and symptoms. Rising temperature is the first sign they are checking for. You don't do all that then ask for permission to fly with the rising temperature in the back of your mind, you go to the hospital!

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cvfd1399

Complete bullshit.....absolute bullshit! If you just got done treating a guy with Ebola who died, you stay your ass at home for 21 days. You monitor yourself daily for signs and symptoms. Rising temperature is the first sign they are checking for. You don't do all that then ask for permission to fly with the rising temperature in the back of your mind, you go to the hospital!

Wrong, Anvil. She had no reason to believe she had been exposed. By all accounts I've seen, she took the proper precautions when caring for her patient. She did not have a fever when she was cleared to fly; her temperature was in the normal range; she wasn't presenting symptoms.

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Bullshit! You just got done treating a guy that died from Ebola you knew from the start your equipment was not up to par, medical waste piled to the ceiling because no one would come collect it. Hell their necks were exposed and their superiors told them to wrap it with medical tape! 99.5 is not NORMAL in that situation, it's a warning sign!

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cvfd1399

99.5 is not NORMAL in that situation, it's a warning sign!

So, a normal body temperature isn't normal. Got it, Anvil.

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[cvfd1399 0]

Let me break it down for you.
1. She tended to a pt who died from Ebola
2. She had a lack of protection while doing so
3. She was still in the incubation period
4. Her co worker who was doing the exact same thing tested positive for Ebola the day before.
5. She had a temperature of 99.5 just below the 100.4 CDC threshold

Anyone who cannot connect these dots, and thinks she was clear to fly is a fucking pants on head retard.

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Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Tom Frieden said she never should have stepped foot on the flight

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cvfd1399

She had a temperature of 99.5 just below the 100.4 CDC threshold

Or, looked at another way, just above the mean normal temperature of 98.6º F.

If she was out of the normal range, or she was presenting symptoms, you might have a point, Anvil.

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[cvfd1399 0]

Ahh so ignore all the other details I see.

My previous statement stands, when you put the whole story together it clearly shows she should have stayed home and isolated to trend that temperature and see what was going on.

You must not be in the medical field I take it.

[Bolas 5]

jcd11235

She did not have a fever when she was cleared to fly; her temperature was in the normal range; she wasn't presenting symptoms.

Did she get separate clearance for both plane trips? If she/cdc did not know of her coworker getting sick before she flew out, but knew before she flew back that elevated temperature should have changed her return travel plans.

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cvfd1399

Ahh so ignore all the other details I see.

No, Anvil. The key is that she was not presenting symptoms, and was therefore not contagious, exposed or not. Further, she had no reason to believe her protective gear did not protect her from exposure.

Given that ebola isn't as easily transmittable as many people seem to think, forcing hospital workers into quarantine with judicial oversight seems overly paranoid.

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[cvfd1399 0]

Lets put it another way since you are not medically trained, and do not seem to be able to follow.

XYZ rigging had a batch of contaminated blue webbing somehow slip into the harness production. The webbing was contaminated with acid that turns the webbing white within 2-21 days, and will cause catastrophic harness failure on opening if not caught and removed from service.

XYZ sent out a notification to all buyers that states if you received a rig from them between a certain date period, you should monitor your rig for signs of color change from blue to white. If so you should discontinue jumping the rig, and return it to XYZ. ZYX states this issue has already caused 4493 deaths.

Yesterday your friend who got the same rig as you on the same day had theirs turn white and fall apart when she picked it up off the gear rack...You inspected yours, and found out that although it is not technically white, yours is starting to turn light blue.

By your logic because it is not WHITE, you would continue to jump this rig because it is just light blue, despite all the other information present.

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You keep ignoring the fact that she was not presenting symptoms and had no reason to believe she had been exposed.

You act as though she was on her deathbed when she boarded the plane.

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had no reason to believe she had been exposed.

1. She treated a man with ebola that died, that's a reason to believe
2. She treated him without proper protection or procedures( I was just briefed on this no less than 10 min ago) that's a reason to believe.
3. Her co worker who was doing the same thing she was under the same conditions came down with ebola. That's's a big fucking reason to believe.


Our protocol for Louisiana which I was just briefed on is if you made contact with someone presenting ebola symptoms, you and all the responders and doctors are under immediate isolation. The samples will be sent to Atlanta for testing. If it returns negative we will be free to go. If it comes back positive we are all under 21 day, possibly 40 day quarantine. We will see next week if the cdc follows through with the 40 day vs 21 as it is now.

She should have been under quarantine for 21 days and damn sure not allowed to fly. I am way more trained and up to date on this than you are quit trying to act like you know.

[kelpdiver 2]

jcd11235

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99.5 is high normal. Couple that with the recent history and the diagnosis of her colleague and it is hardly reasonable to presume all is normal.

It's my understanding that ebola isn't contagious until symptoms are presented. And I don't recall seeing anything that suggested that she had reason to believe that her on the job safety precautions were ineffective.

Hindsight is 20/20.

(corrected your emphasis)

A fever would be a symptom, and you have to cross 99.5 to make that short progression to 100. The fact that her colleague was sick is a pretty fucking obvious reason to suspect the handling methods were ineffective.

I think it was a bit shady to visit her family in the first place, but I have a very difficult time with the decision to return. The CDC can't seem to keep their story straight either.

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kelpdiver

A fever would be a symptom, and you have to cross 99.5 to make that short progression to 100.

By the same intermediate value theorem, a patients temperature has to pass through 98.6º F before it can reach 100. (Making the reasonable assumption her temperature has been 98.5º or lower at some point in life.) Should we also forbid her from flying if her temperature was 98.6º?

Above the normal range still seems to be the best indication of fever.

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[Bolas 5]

So you're saying that if you were in the exact same situation, you would have done exactly what she did?

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[cvfd1399 0]

He would jump that rig to his death.

[airdvr 210]

What you once again fail to comprehend is the appearance of being in control. 2 schools were closed here Friday because of this bullshit. It doesn't matter if she was sick or not she should have been locked down along with everyone else who treated that man. It's not rocket surgery.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Why are schools closed?

Because someone was sort of near someone who was on the same plane that someone else had flown on the day before?
And that last someone, who hadn't shown any symptoms on the plane was later diagnosed with Ebola?

Please.

You want the "appearance of being in control."

I'd like to see some scientific understanding and common sense. Not blind panic and unreasonable fear.
But that's probably too much to ask from the public. Agent K (Tommy Lee Jones) was right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCwFkOZoOY
We saw the same stupidity at the beginning of AIDS in the US.

We've reached the 21 day point from when Thomas was isolated at the hospital. Anyone exposed before then should have shown symptoms by now.
I have yet to hear of any new cases from the people who had casual contact with him.

I'd be willing to bet that we've seen the end of this particular outbreak. I don't think we are going to see any cases from casual contact with either of the nurses (Phang and Vinson) who contracted it from Thomas. It's just not that easy to transmit.

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Bolas

So you're saying that if you were in the exact same situation, you would have done exactly what she did?

No. I'm saying that if I were the one from the CDC making the call, I would not have forbidden her from flying with no evidence of infection.

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[Bolas 5]

jcd11235

***So you're saying that if you were in the exact same situation, you would have done exactly what she did?

No. I'm saying that if I were the one from the CDC making the call, I would not have forbidden her from flying with no evidence of infection.

Forbidden is one thing. Would you have advised her against flying to see family? What about flying back after her coworker was diagnosed with it? Forbidden or advised?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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Bolas

Would you have advised her against flying to see family?

For a short flight when she was not presenting symptoms? No. Without symptoms, she's not contagious. In the unlikely event she begins presenting mid-flight, ebola isn't that easily transmitted.

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What about flying back after her coworker was diagnosed with it? Forbidden or advised?

Again, not for a short flight if she was not presenting symptoms.

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[cvfd1399 0]

So you would have jumped the rig to your death.

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