First Ebola Diagnosis in US

[kallend 2,063]

Iago

It's not just that. It's the amount of detective, tracing, and monitoring that has to be done.

Take the latest case with Dr. Douche that comes back from treating patients, doesn't feel well, and decides to go out anyways. How do you do contact tracing on an entire bowling alley of potentials?

That is a huge expenditure of resources, plus all the people that now have their lives screwed up because of this incident.

Well, to be fair, murders mess up lots of people's lives too, murder investigations take a lot of resources, and trials are very expensive.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,063]

Iago

Pay attention and read the thread title.

We're talking about ebola, not assault rifles and murders.

Yes, and I'm giving some PERSPECTIVE on the issue.

Certain GOP congresspersons and talk show hosts have tried to raise a panic over ebola, yet they persistently downplay an issue that is killing far more Americans.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[JerryBaumchen 1,385]

Hi John,

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congresspersons and talk show hosts have tried to raise a panic

It's the issue de jour; it'll be something else in a week or so.

Stay tuned, film at 11.

Jerry Baumchen

[Bolas 5]

kallend

***Pay attention and read the thread title.

We're talking about ebola, not assault rifles and murders.

Yes, and I'm giving some PERSPECTIVE on the issue.

Certain GOP congresspersons and talk show hosts have tried to raise a panic over ebola, yet they persistently downplay an issue that is killing far more Americans.

Which would you rather be in a room with?

1. A gun.
2. A person with Ebola.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kelpdiver 2]

kallend

So the gun lobby tells us that "assault weapons" are so rarely used in crimes that we shouldn't worry about them.

More Americans have been killed with "assault weapons" in the last 48 hours than have died of ebola in the USA in the last 2 months.

By NRA logic, ebola is nothing to worry about.

Tell us the next time (first time) a doctor or nurse that cared for a gunshot victim picks up an AR15 and shoots their family.

While the CDC has attempted to frame gun violence as an epidemic, it has nothing on real pathogens.

[jakee 1,534]

Bolas

Which would you rather be in a room with?

1. A gun.
2. A person with Ebola.

Which will you ever be in a room with?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,063]

Bolas

******Pay attention and read the thread title.

We're talking about ebola, not assault rifles and murders.

Yes, and I'm giving some PERSPECTIVE on the issue.

Certain GOP congresspersons and talk show hosts have tried to raise a panic over ebola, yet they persistently downplay an issue that is killing far more Americans.

Which would you rather be in a room with?

1. A gun.
2. A person with Ebola.

Lack of parallelism there. We all know guns don't kill people. The question should be:

Which would you rather be in a room with?

1. A homicidal maniac with a gun.
2. A person with Ebola.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,534]

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Tell us the next time (first time) a doctor or nurse that cared for a gunshot victim picks up an AR15 and shoots their family.

How about this guy? Now you let us know the first time a nurse or doctor in the US gives their family ebola.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Iago

It's not just that. It's the amount of detective, tracing, and monitoring that has to be done.

Take the latest case with Dr. Douche that comes back from treating patients, doesn't feel well, and decides to go out anyways. How do you do contact tracing on an entire bowling alley of potentials?

That is a huge expenditure of resources, plus all the people that now have their lives screwed up because of this incident.

That's twice you've suggested that the people who were infected "didn't feel well."
First was Amber Vinson getting on the plane.

Got any evidence of that?

Everything I've come across says that Ebola is "Sudden Onset" where you feel just fine...

Until you don't. And then you start pooping your guts out, barfing your brains out and running a serious fever.

I have seen zero reports that Spencer, Vinson or Phang went out into public when they felt ill.
Certainly not when they were symptomatic.

And if they weren't showing symptoms, they weren't contagious.

So the bowling alley patrons are safe.

Has anyone in the US caught Ebola from casual contact?
How about the family of Thomas Duncan, who treated him for two days while he was exhibiting serious symptoms, and was presumably contagious?
The families of Vinson and Phang?
Anyone?

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Anvilbrother 0]

I do.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/health/us-ebola/

***(CNN) -- A nurse with Ebola may have shown symptoms of the virus as many as four days before authorities once indicated, meaning that she might have been contagious while flying on not just one, but two commercial flights, officials said***

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[kelpdiver 2]

jakee

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Tell us the next time (first time) a doctor or nurse that cared for a gunshot victim picks up an AR15 and shoots their family.

How about this guy? Now you let us know the first time a nurse or doctor in the US gives their family ebola.

I missed the part where he contracted his homicidal urges from a patient, which was the specific aspect I spoke of.

Here you have a basic wedding day pre-nup debate go bad. Spouses have been killing each other over money since money existed.

[Bolas 5]

kallend

*********Pay attention and read the thread title.

We're talking about ebola, not assault rifles and murders.

Yes, and I'm giving some PERSPECTIVE on the issue.

Certain GOP congresspersons and talk show hosts have tried to raise a panic over ebola, yet they persistently downplay an issue that is killing far more Americans.

Which would you rather be in a room with?

1. A gun.
2. A person with Ebola.

Lack of parallelism there.

Agreed. Just as comparing statistics of use of a man made tool to those of a virus.

"Canopy collisions have killed more people in the U.S. than Ebola" is an accurate statement but so is "There are more M&Ms in the fun size bag than people in the U.S. who died from Ebola."

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[jakee 1,534]

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I missed the part where he contracted his homicidal urges from a patient, which was the specific aspect I spoke of.

Oh, you probably should have specifically spoken of it then, because in the last post you didn't. TBH I don't see how his wife would be any more dead that way than she is now. I do see that you've ignored the challenge to find the first US doctor or nurse that has infected their family with ebola.

The fact remains that you are several orders of magnitude more likely to be in a room with a gun, held by a homicidal person, who is shooting it at you, than in a room with a person with ebola.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,063]

Anvilbrother

I do.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/health/us-ebola/

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(CNN) -- A nurse with Ebola may have shown symptoms of the virus as many as four days before authorities once indicated, meaning that she might have been contagious while flying on not just one, but two commercial flights, officials said

"may have", "might have". Not making a strong case.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,063]

Bolas

************Pay attention and read the thread title.

We're talking about ebola, not assault rifles and murders.

Yes, and I'm giving some PERSPECTIVE on the issue.

Certain GOP congresspersons and talk show hosts have tried to raise a panic over ebola, yet they persistently downplay an issue that is killing far more Americans.

Which would you rather be in a room with?

1. A gun.
2. A person with Ebola.

Lack of parallelism there.

Agreed. Just as comparing statistics of use of a man made tool to those of a virus.

"Canopy collisions have killed more people in the U.S. than Ebola" is an accurate statement but so is "There are more M&Ms in the fun size bag than people in the U.S. who died from Ebola."

I suppose you can choke on M&Ms but mostly they aren't considered deadly. However, I'll bite:

Which would you rather be in a room with?

1. A homicidal maniac with a gun.
2. A person with a bag of M&Ms

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,534]

Bolas

"Canopy collisions have killed more people in the U.S. than Ebola" is an accurate statement

How about "as many people have been killed with firearms in the US during the Ebola outbreak as have died worldwide from Ebola"?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,063]

jakee

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"Canopy collisions have killed more people in the U.S. than Ebola" is an accurate statement

How about "as many people have been killed with firearms in the US during the Ebola outbreak as have died worldwide from Ebola"?

Actually, not just "as many" but "far more".

The first ebola case of this outbreak was a 2-year-old boy who died on 6 December 2013 in the village of Meliandou, Guéckédou Prefecture, Guinea. In a typical recent year there would be some 28,000 gun deaths in the USA in the period since then. There have been fewer than 5,000 ebola deaths worldwide.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Bolas 5]

kallend

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"Canopy collisions have killed more people in the U.S. than Ebola" is an accurate statement

How about "as many people have been killed with firearms in the US during the Ebola outbreak as have died worldwide from Ebola"?

Actually, not just "as many" but "far more".

The first ebola case of this outbreak was a 2-year-old boy who died on 6 December 2013 in the village of Meliandou, Guéckédou Prefecture, Guinea. In a typical recent year there would be some 28,000 gun deaths in the USA in the period since then. There have been fewer than 5,000 ebola deaths worldwide.

Of that 28,000: How many were with legal guns and legal gun owners?

Still can't understand why associating deaths from a biological virus to an inanimate object.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kallend 2,063]

Bolas

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"Canopy collisions have killed more people in the U.S. than Ebola" is an accurate statement

How about "as many people have been killed with firearms in the US during the Ebola outbreak as have died worldwide from Ebola"?

Actually, not just "as many" but "far more".

The first ebola case of this outbreak was a 2-year-old boy who died on 6 December 2013 in the village of Meliandou, Guéckédou Prefecture, Guinea. In a typical recent year there would be some 28,000 gun deaths in the USA in the period since then. There have been fewer than 5,000 ebola deaths worldwide.

Of that 28,000: How many were with legal guns and legal gun owners?


Do your own research.

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Still can't understand why associating deaths from a biological virus to an inanimate object.

I can't help your lack of understanding.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Anvilbrother

I do.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/health/us-ebola/

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(CNN) -- A nurse with Ebola may have shown symptoms of the virus as many as four days before authorities once indicated, meaning that she might have been contagious while flying on not just one, but two commercial flights, officials said

First off, that story is over a week old.

Second, it's somewhat vague.

Her uncle is quoted as saying she felt fine.

The contradiction comes from an anonymous "federal official."

Last, as I said in the previous post, Ebola is sudden onset. You go from feeling fine (and not contagious) to being really sick (and contagious) in a short period of time.

If she felt "fatigue, muscle aches and malaise" earlier, then she wasn't experiencing symptoms of Ebola.
So she wasn't contagious.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Bolas 5]

kallend

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Still can't understand why associating deaths from a biological virus to an inanimate object.

I can't help your lack of understanding.

Okay, anyone other jakeekallend, can you understand the rationale of associating deaths from a biological virus to an inanimate object?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[billvon 3,030]

>We're talking about ebola, not assault rifles and murders.

There's actually a connection there. Our initial response to Ebola was almost certainly slowed by not having a surgeon general. We don't have a surgeon general because his nomination has been held up by the GOP, because he thinks that gun violence is a public health issue, so the NRA instructed the GOP to block him.

[billvon 3,030]

> can you understand the rationale of associating deaths from a biological virus to
> an inanimate object?

Viruses ARE inanimate objects. Outside a host they are completely inert; a virus sitting on a table never killed anyone. Once a human picks up that virus it becomes dangerous. At that point how the infected person acts (i.e. do they act to prevent exposure to others, do they get treatment) determines how dangerous the virus is to themselves and others.

That actually sounds a lot like a gun.

[jakee 1,534]

Bolas

Okay, anyone other jakeekallend, can you understand the rationale of associating deaths from a biological virus to an inanimate object?

Whether you've been killed by a virus or an inanimate object, dead is dead.

I mean, presumably the reason some people are so worried about ebola is because they don't want to die, right? Correct me if I'm wrong but there's no other side effect like changing hair colour that people are worried about. So why are people worried about ebola, that's definitely not going to kill them, instead of things that statistically might kill them? And it doesn't just go for guns, it goes for pretty much anything. If you live in the first world right now it's more rational to be afraid of sharks or lightning than ebola.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Anvilbrother 0]

billvon

>We're talking about ebola, not assault rifles and murders.

There's actually a connection there. Our initial response to Ebola was almost certainly slowed by not having a surgeon general. We don't have a surgeon general because his nomination has been held up by the GOP, because he thinks that gun violence is a public health issue, so the NRA instructed the GOP to block him.

Incorrect we have a surgeon general. The current acting surgeon general is Rear Admiral Boris Lushniak. Why do you think hasn't he said or done anything? They are just keeping him under wraps so they can blame the GOP later.

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