masterrig 1 #51 October 4, 2014 Is it covered by Obama-care? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #52 October 4, 2014 billvon>It brings up a classic Ethics 101 conundrum: You're exposed to Ebola in Liberia. >Everyone who's been exposed to the same sick patient you helped is now sick or >dead. Or - your son thinks he might have been exposed to Ebola. He is in West Africa. Do you tell him to get home as soon as he can, or wait there and see if he gets sick? One of the things that makes it hard to condemn this guy is that he contracted the disease trying to save the life of a 19 year old woman who was 7 months pregnant. Who here would be willing to walk away from such a woman and leave her to die in the street? (And further, who here would admit to that action on an embarkation form, if saying "yes" meant you would be taken quickly to an Ebola quarantine zone, where most other people had Ebola and there was almost no medical care?) This is a good example of why it's so important to stop the disease at the source, rather than try to stop it once it gets here. Raises hand. I honestly believe I would. Its what I do, its how I roll.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #53 October 4, 2014 turtlespeed***>It brings up a classic Ethics 101 conundrum: You're exposed to Ebola in Liberia. >Everyone who's been exposed to the same sick patient you helped is now sick or >dead. Or - your son thinks he might have been exposed to Ebola. He is in West Africa. Do you tell him to get home as soon as he can, or wait there and see if he gets sick? One of the things that makes it hard to condemn this guy is that he contracted the disease trying to save the life of a 19 year old woman who was 7 months pregnant. Who here would be willing to walk away from such a woman and leave her to die in the street? (And further, who here would admit to that action on an embarkation form, if saying "yes" meant you would be taken quickly to an Ebola quarantine zone, where most other people had Ebola and there was almost no medical care?) This is a good example of why it's so important to stop the disease at the source, rather than try to stop it once it gets here. Raises hand. I honestly believe I would. Its what I do, its how I roll. Which would you do? Help the woman and put others at risk afterwards. Or Help the woman and deal with the consequences of your actions without endangering others.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #54 October 4, 2014 Bolas ******>It brings up a classic Ethics 101 conundrum: You're exposed to Ebola in Liberia. >Everyone who's been exposed to the same sick patient you helped is now sick or >dead. Or - your son thinks he might have been exposed to Ebola. He is in West Africa. Do you tell him to get home as soon as he can, or wait there and see if he gets sick? One of the things that makes it hard to condemn this guy is that he contracted the disease trying to save the life of a 19 year old woman who was 7 months pregnant. Who here would be willing to walk away from such a woman and leave her to die in the street? (And further, who here would admit to that action on an embarkation form, if saying "yes" meant you would be taken quickly to an Ebola quarantine zone, where most other people had Ebola and there was almost no medical care?) This is a good example of why it's so important to stop the disease at the source, rather than try to stop it once it gets here. Raises hand. I honestly believe I would. Its what I do, its how I roll. Which would you do? Help the woman and put others at risk afterwards. Or Help the woman and deal with the consequences of your actions without endangering others. Lets put it this way, I wouldn't lie and put more people in danger. I . . . MIGHT . . . mess with the people in early morning though . . . making them think it was like load 7 or something.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #55 October 4, 2014 turtlespeed Raises hand. I honestly believe I would. Its what I do, its how I roll. Lets put it this way, I wouldn't lie and put more people in danger. I . . . MIGHT . . . mess with the people in early morning though . . . making them think it was like load 7 or something. http://youtu.be/XCFowMpLmAc Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #56 October 4, 2014 I don't know if this has been considered above but, if an Islamic terrorist is willing to blow him/herself up to kill infidels, why would not such a person inflict themselves with Ebola virus and travel to a western country?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,481 #57 October 4, 2014 That's actually a really valid point. However, there's no indication it's the case here (other than his being from Africa). His family is the most impacted. There are better ways to achieve max coverage. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #58 October 4, 2014 wmw999That's actually a really valid point. However, there's no indication it's the case here (other than his being from Africa). His family is the most impacted. There are better ways to achieve max coverage. Wendy P. True, but in honest fear mongering style, they are just learning and testing the system to see what works best, and most efficient. I bet they won't be manipulating data points on the matter though.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #59 October 4, 2014 It's pretty entertaining watching all the usual suspects, who had previously claimed that healthcare was something that was best left entirely to the private sector, now look to that dastardly federal government for answers. I really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed, then they wouldn't have to worry about the CDC for those problems that are best solved at the state and local level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arvoitus 1 #60 October 4, 2014 RonD1120I don't know if this has been considered above but, if an Islamic terrorist is willing to blow him/herself up to kill infidels, why would not such a person inflict themselves with Ebola virus and travel to a western country? They don't have the imagination for it. If they'd have, they'd already done it. Its not like they can't afford a couple of plane tickets across the pond.Your rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #61 October 4, 2014 Arvoitus ***I don't know if this has been considered above but, if an Islamic terrorist is willing to blow him/herself up to kill infidels, why would not such a person inflict themselves with Ebola virus and travel to a western country? They don't have the imagination for it. If they'd have, they'd already done it. Its not like they can't afford a couple of plane tickets across the pond. Come now, you think their CIA based training doesn't include biological and germ warfare? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #62 October 4, 2014 jclalor It's pretty entertaining watching all the usual suspects, who had previously claimed that healthcare was something that was best left entirely to the private sector, now look to that dastardly federal government for answers. I really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed, then they wouldn't have to worry about the CDC for those problems that are best solved at the state and local level. What we want is for the fed to protect our borders. If they would have done that, there wouldn't be an issue would there? Or was it not the TSA that let him in the country?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #63 October 5, 2014 Quote I really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed I think Texas is succeeding just fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #64 October 5, 2014 Shotgun Quote I really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed I think Texas is succeeding just fine. Yes, and Shotgun for the win.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #65 October 5, 2014 Iago ***It's pretty entertaining watching all the usual suspects, who had previously claimed that healthcare was something that was best left entirely to the private sector, now look to that dastardly federal government for answers. I really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed, then they wouldn't have to worry about the CDC for those problems that are best solved at the state and local level. What's entertaining is watching the dastardly federal government, the supposed 'golden child' for healthcare in America, completely screw this up. Did you really expect ANY different result?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,063 #66 October 5, 2014 Iago***It's pretty entertaining watching all the usual suspects, who had previously claimed that healthcare was something that was best left entirely to the private sector, now look to that dastardly federal government for answers. I really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed, then they wouldn't have to worry about the CDC for those problems that are best solved at the state and local level. What's entertaining is watching the dastardly federal government, the supposed 'golden child' for healthcare in America, completely screw this up. How is it completely screwed up? Is Ebola out of control in the usa already.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #67 October 6, 2014 jclalorIt's pretty entertaining watching all the usual suspects, who had previously claimed that healthcare was something that was best left entirely to the private sector, now look to that dastardly federal government for answers. I really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed, then they wouldn't have to worry about the CDC for those problems that are best solved at the state and local level. So you never responded. . . was it texas or the fed that let him in. who screwed the pooch there? Seems to me that it is Texas that is being forced to deal with what the fed refuses to be accountable for, and in some cases, even when the law mandates it, the fed refuses to enforce it's own laws. Texas never wanted it. It was the fed who is at fault here.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,030 #68 October 6, 2014 >So you never responded. . . was it texas or the fed that let him in. who screwed the pooch there? ?? Neither. There is no US restrictions on travel from West Africa. But you can blame Liberia for "letting" him lie on a form if you like. >Seems to me that it is Texas that is being forced to deal with what the fed >refuses to be accountable for The CDC is there and on the case after a Texas nurse screwed up and forgot to tell the doctor he had come from West Africa, thus hastening his release while contagious. You could as easily (and as accurately) say "the fed is dealing with what Texas screwed up." If blame is your thing, that is. Fortunately, the people actually working the case don't seem to make that a priority, and the CDC and Texas are working together pretty well. It's like they don't know they have to pick a side . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #69 October 6, 2014 billvon>So you never responded. . . was it texas or the fed that let him in. who screwed the pooch there? ?? Neither. There is no US restrictions on travel from West Africa. But you can blame Liberia for "letting" him lie on a form if you like. >Seems to me that it is Texas that is being forced to deal with what the fed >refuses to be accountable for The CDC is there and on the case after a Texas nurse screwed up and forgot to tell the doctor he had come from West Africa, thus hastening his release while contagious. You could as easily (and as accurately) say "the fed is dealing with what Texas screwed up." If blame is your thing, that is. Fortunately, the people actually working the case don't seem to make that a priority, and the CDC and Texas are working together pretty well. It's like they don't know they have to pick a side . . . So they have liberia to Dallas flights? I don't know and will check. And lying on an official form . . . is that criminal?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 377 #70 October 6, 2014 RonD1120I don't know if this has been considered above but, if an Islamic terrorist is willing to blow him/herself up to kill infidels, why would not such a person inflict themselves with Ebola virus and travel to a western country?The evil plot is even more sinister than that! Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #71 October 6, 2014 Oh my. I had no idea. "The B O in Ebola stands for Barak Obama." How in the world could we have missed such an obvious tip off? ODS to the max. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #72 October 6, 2014 jclalorI really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed, then they wouldn't have to worry about the CDC for those problems that are best solved at the state and local level. Do you want them to be successful or do you want them to leave the union?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,534 #73 October 6, 2014 airdvr***I really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed, then they wouldn't have to worry about the CDC for those problems that are best solved at the state and local level. Do you want them to be successful or do you want them to leave the union? To accomplish secession they'd need to successfully secede.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #74 October 6, 2014 I strongly suspected as much. The end game is to have all medical care under federal control and total control of all people. We are preparing to use overturned semi-trailers to block the major highways and roads leading to the north GA and west NC mountains. Well, that is the rumor. The plan remains classified. Stay tuned to WAGA-TV. Up to date info will be released through our connections at that station. The TV series "Jericho" is/was very informative. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #75 October 6, 2014 jakee ******I really wish Texas would just hurry up and succeed, then they wouldn't have to worry about the CDC for those problems that are best solved at the state and local level. Do you want them to be successful or do you want them to leave the union? To accomplish secession they'd need to successfully secede. Well, I'll remind you that we did that once, not Texas, but you get the drift.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
