What is so evil about requiring id to vote?

[kallend 2,026]

Andy9o8

Most people who don't have photo id to vote pretty much never fly, rent cars, stay in hotels or have credit cards. Broadly, that's kind of the point.

Whatever happened to the Committtee on UnAmerican Activities?

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[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

Hi John,

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Whatever happened to the Committtee on UnAmerican Activities?

Wow, I haven't thought about them in decades.

But, they are 'sort of' still with us:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee


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[Channman 2]

It's all about not supressing the democrats vote machine. The idea of a ID supressing poor voters or the elderly from access to the vote machine is bullshit. All though there is growing support by many democrates for voter ID in southern states, I'm not sure there will be any change in the near future.

That's my take on it...now back to my self imposed banning for attacking the democrats.

[champu 1]

Andy9o8

Most people who don't have photo id to vote pretty much never fly, rent cars, stay in hotels or have credit cards. Broadly, that's kind of the point.

I know, I just thought the "If they don't have ID how can they complete their weekly house purchase?" and "I've never been carded in my life cause I make all my purchases in bitcoin" posts were a little much.

[jakee 1,489]

champu

***You must be a) one seriously sketchy looking motherfucker or b) resemble a 16yo if you're being asked for ID for all of that!

I can't remember the last time I needed ID for anything except airports.

I get carded when using a credit card...

A) it's called chip and pin. You guys need to get with the 21st century already.

B) the people targeted by voter ID laws don't have credit cards. That's the point.

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It's ridiculous both to assume everyone else needs ID constantly because you do and to assume ID is barely necessary because you are rarely or never asked for it.

C) you don't understand the logic. The previous poster's point (that everyone needs ID anyway) only works if everyone needs ID, not just him. My point works if it can be shown that it is possible for anyone, not everyone, to function without ID.

Therefore, mine or Kallend's experience of not needing ID is a valid counterpoint to his argument, your experience of needing ID is not a valid counterpoint to our argument.

Sorry.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Andy9o8 2]

Add me to the list. I'm old enough that I never get carded buying alcohol, nor do I make retail purchases by check. So aside from airports I can't recall the last time in years I've been carded for anything.

Oh wait, I recently renewed my drivers license. Yeah, they made me show them the old one for that.

[kallend 2,026]

Andy9o8

Add me to the list. I'm old enough that I never get carded buying alcohol, nor do I make retail purchases by check. So aside from airports I can't recall the last time in years I've been carded for anything.

Oh wait, I recently renewed my drivers license. Yeah, they made me show them the old one for that.

I recently renewed mine online. Didn't have to show anything.

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[kallend 2,026]

Channman

It's all about not supressing the democrats vote machine. The idea of a ID supressing poor voters or the elderly from access to the vote machine is bullshit.

You may believe in pink unicorns too, but the FACT is that a bunch of Republicans have been caught out ADMITTING that the purpose of the ID laws is to suppress the Dem vote.

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[cvfd1399 0]

Ok you say its too intrusive to require people to get an ID to vote. Then how do you stop legal Americans from voting dozens of times, prevent illegal immigrants from voting, or verify the integrity of the vote?

Or are you saying that all of the above is ok? "Vote early, vote often" is the course we are going.

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cvfd1399

Ok you say its too intrusive to require people to get an ID to vote. Then how do you stop legal Americans from voting dozens of times, prevent illegal immigrants from voting, or verify the integrity of the vote?

Or are you saying that all of the above is ok? "Vote early, vote often" is the course we are going.

Such voter fraud doesn't seem to be an actual problem as much as something to be used for fear mongering.

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[cvfd1399 0]

I would argue that it is, but let's say your right today it isn't, but they figure out no one is monitoring, and becomes a huge issue. How do you deal with it then?

[jakee 1,489]

cvfd1399

I would argue that it is, but let's say your right today it isn't, but they figure out no one is monitoring, and becomes a huge issue.

You can say that - but I'd say if they (whoever they are) haven't figured it out yet, there's nothing to figure out.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,026]

cvfd1399

Ok you say its too intrusive to require people to get an ID to vote. Then how do you stop legal Americans from voting dozens of times, prevent illegal immigrants from voting, or verify the integrity of the vote?

Or are you saying that all of the above is ok? "Vote early, vote often" is the course we are going.

So just how frequent is multiple voting? Proven cases, not just anecdote and propaganda from Fox or Breitbart.

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[kallend 2,026]

cvfd1399

I would argue that it is, but let's say your right today it isn't, but they figure out no one is monitoring, and becomes a huge issue. How do you deal with it then?

When Texas went looking for examples of voter fraud to justify their ID law, it found fewer than five incidents of ‘illegal voting’ out of more than 13 million votes cast in the 2008 and 2010 elections.

Just to put it in perspective, between 2000 and 2007, there were 32,299 UFO sightings in the United States, 352 deaths caused by lightning, but only nine proven cases of voter impersonation.

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[cvfd1399 0]

So are you saying when a current administration is giving away or suggesting that if they are elected they will give away free/reduced healthcare, benefits, housing, and school, while also easing border security, and stopping voter id laws, that illegal immigrants, or fraudulent voters are going to ignore the fact that they can illegally vote for the members of that administration that is suggesting those items?

I would say that if your setting up a system where people can illegally vote to obtain the above, they will flock to it like ants on a dead animal.

Its like opening up an atm, covering the camera, and allowing any pin number to withdraw cash from the government bank.

[jcd11235 0]

cvfd1399

I would argue that it is …

Examples? Or just an irrational fear?

cvfd1399

let's say your right today it isn't, but they figure out no one is monitoring, and becomes a huge issue. How do you deal with it then?

Pretty simple, really. Put a system in place to verify citizens are only registered in one voting precinct. Such a system may very well be in place, which would help explain why the widespread voting fraud Republicans are crying wolf about doesn't actually occur.

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[cvfd1399 0]

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So just how frequent is multiple voting? Proven cases, not just anecdote and propaganda from Fox or Breitbart.

Im not saying it has already happened on this massive conspiracy scale. Im thinking ahead about the future of voting.

[cvfd1399 0]

Ignoring all your other comments because I have addressed them.

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Pretty simple, really. Put a system in place to verify citizens are only registered in one voting precinct.

How would that system work? Fingerprint?.....ID?

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cvfd1399

Ignoring all your other comments because I have addressed them.

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Pretty simple, really. Put a system in place to verify citizens are only registered in one voting precinct.

How would that system work? Fingerprint?.....ID?

NO!!! NO IDs!!! They use "cross my heart and hope to die".

[kallend 2,026]

cvfd1399

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So just how frequent is multiple voting? Proven cases, not just anecdote and propaganda from Fox or Breitbart.

Im not saying it has already happened on this massive conspiracy scale. Im thinking ahead about the future of voting.

So to combat this hypothetical and unproven possible risk based purely on supposition and fear-mongering you are willing to disenfranchise tens of thousands of elderly and poor citizens.

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[champu 1]

Re: Chip and pin, I fully agree with you, I'm getting really sick of replacement credit cards.

Re: the rest of the post, this is usually where I do a search and link to a few posts over the last year or so where I've explained that voter ID requirements are a crap idea with ulterior motives, but I'm on my phone and dont really care enough.

I was keying off of your "you must look like a sketchy dude, I only get carded at the airport comment." Plenty of people use ID on a regular enough basis to not appreciate that some people don't, and telling them it's because they're weird isn't helping.

[jakee 1,489]

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So are you saying when a current administration...

Has nothing to do with voter ID laws.

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or fraudulent voters are going to...

The question is not 'will they?' It is (as Kallend pointed out) 'have they?'

Have they?

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Its like...

It's not like that.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

cvfd1399

Im not saying it has already happened on this massive conspiracy scale. Im thinking ahead about the future of voting.

If it hasn't happened and isn't happening then a) what's stopping it now and b) why won't that stop it in future?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

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I was keying off of your "you must look like a sketchy dude, I only get carded at the airport comment." Plenty of people use ID on a regular enough basis to not appreciate that some people don't, and telling them it's because they're weird isn't helping.

Yeah but seriously, that entire list of stuff, all of it qualifying as 'recent' and (supposedly) not living under a totalitarian 'papers please' regime? I'm sticking with sketchy as hell.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[cvfd1399 0]

Negative, you are freaking out, and applying typical attack tactics on me.

Please think about the future, and what could happen if people are allowed to illegally vote for candidates who propose easier illegal border crossings, easier illegal voting access, and handouts.

What do you propose if this would start occurring in the future?

Someone here was talking about how the founding fathers came up with ways to prevent Tyranny of the majority, because humans realized they could take advantage of the system. I propose that this same thing will happen IN THE FUTURE, if we continue to go the way we are with voting laws.

I am sure if forced to there is a way to ensure every legal American can register to vote, or get an ID without causing them undue hardship.

Would you be ok with requiring ID to vote if the government facilitated resources such as help obtaining birth certificates, transportation, and registration? This program would be audited by public groups such as the fair elections network etc. to ensure it was fair and adequate?