turtlespeed 220 #101 October 13, 2014 jcd11235***Try buying pseudofed for cold symptoms. Try buying pain meds the doctor prescribed to you. Try going to a pharmacy where employees know you. If they do not follow the procedure and fill out the forms, it is illegal. Are you condoning someone breaking the law?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #102 October 13, 2014 turtlespeed******Try buying pseudofed for cold symptoms. Try buying pain meds the doctor prescribed to you. Try going to a pharmacy where employees know you. If they do not follow the procedure and fill out the forms, it is illegal. Are you condoning someone breaking the law? Many such laws only require that when the purchase exceeds a certain (non-zero) amount.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #103 October 13, 2014 jcd11235***Here, they ask you to verify your identity, to see if it matches the name on the credit card you are trying to use. That's pretty unusual. I rarely even have to hand the clerk my card these days. Well then, I hope you have good fraud protection insurance.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #104 October 13, 2014 My local cvs requires it on every pseudo ephedrine purchase, and has limits on how much and how often you can buy them as per law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #105 October 13, 2014 I stand corrected. That I've never not been carded for such a purchase in the past nine years, however, makes it clear that it isn't a barrier to getting through life just fine without a picture ID.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 7 #106 October 13, 2014 Wow it is law but just cause you have not had to prove it it means nobody else has huh? Make sure you look upstream before you answer. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #107 October 13, 2014 BartsDaddyWow it is law but just cause you have not had to prove it it means nobody else has huh? Make sure you look upstream before you answer. You miss the point. It doesn't matter if anybody else has had to produce an ID for that. The fact remains, people are able to get by without doing so, whether that is from an understanding pharmacy employee (who may use their own ID, since they know the customer and know they won't exceed the the monthly limit), a friend or family member picking up the medication for them, or simply using a different medication. There are many people who get by just fine without a picture ID. Requiring one to vote would put an undue burden on them, amounting to an unconstitutional poll tax that disenfranchises citizens. It's funny how Republicans are normally against government stepping in, placing additional burdens on people to fix nonexistent problems. Why do they favor doing so here, if not to disenfranchise citizens who are more likely to vote for Democratic candidates? Besides, the hypothetical examples voter fraud that are typically raised wouldn't be fixed by requiring a picture ID, anyway.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #108 October 13, 2014 jakee Quote I was keying off of your "you must look like a sketchy dude, I only get carded at the airport comment." Plenty of people use ID on a regular enough basis to not appreciate that some people don't, and telling them it's because they're weird isn't helping. Yeah but seriously, that entire list of stuff, all of it qualifying as 'recent' and (supposedly) not living under a totalitarian 'papers please' regime? I'm sticking with sketchy as hell. My problem with his list of stuff was that it presented the argument "try going a few weeks" and then included things like buying cars, jumping at a new dropzone, getting a library card, getting new jobs, buying houses, getting collage transcripts. and selling at a pawn shop. Anyone doing all of those things is not doing any of those things with a frequency of a few weeks. Everyone has different experiences. Some people almost never need ID and some people spend a large chunk of their waking life with photo ID hanging around their neck. Here's an idea if people really think double voting is a problem... We don't have votes very often... Get some really strong dye that's also reactive to UV and just smear it into people's forehead after they vote. Check everyone with a black light on the way in. Not-established-as-a-problem solved! For everyone else that complains about showing something as an established problem before doing something about it, please feel free to write any and all representatives you may have about state and local bans on magazines that hold over 10 rounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #109 October 13, 2014 turtlespeed Quote I can't remember the last time I needed ID for anything except airports. Here, they ask you to verify your identity, to see if it matches the name on the credit card you are trying to use. Again, look up 'chip and pin'. I feel sorry for you guys with your third world banking systems(And as also stated, people who have CCs are not the people who would be affected.)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #110 October 13, 2014 BartsDaddyHow do we know illegal voting is less then illegal gun purchases. Unless you actually look for it rather then hide your head in the sand and say it ain't happening it ain't happening. TEXAS looked for it. Found it was (15 times) less common than being struck by lightning. Approx. 1 in 15,000,000 votes is fraudulent.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #111 October 13, 2014 cvfd1399My local cvs requires it on every pseudo ephedrine purchase, and has limits on how much and how often you can buy them as per law. Last time I checked, buying pseudo ephedrine was not a Constitutional right. Last time I checked, voting was a Constitutional right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #112 October 13, 2014 jcd11235***Here, they ask you to verify your identity, to see if it matches the name on the credit card you are trying to use. That's pretty unusual. I rarely even have to hand the clerk my card these days. So this is a digression, using a credit card <> voting. BUT - Why on earth would you be happy that your credit card is used and they don't confirm it's your credit card? It's not something I'd brag about. Right on my card I don't sign it, I write "Please check ID" - I'm pretty upset whenever any place doesn't and I let them know it. It's irresponsible. Frankly, these stores should be held liable for any credit card fraud if that's their policy (rather I suspect the workers are careless and/or lazy) draw an analogy to voting or not, I don't much care ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #113 October 13, 2014 rehmwa******Here, they ask you to verify your identity, to see if it matches the name on the credit card you are trying to use. That's pretty unusual. I rarely even have to hand the clerk my card these days. So this is a digression, using a credit card <> voting. BUT - Why on earth would you be happy that your credit card is used and they don't confirm it's your credit card? It's not something I'd brag about. Right on my card I don't sign it, I write "Please check ID" - I'm pretty upset whenever any place doesn't and I let them know it. It's irresponsible. Frankly, these stores should be held liable for any credit card fraud if that's their policy (rather I suspect the workers are careless and/or lazy) draw an analogy to voting or not, I don't much care Around here they no longer touch your credit card. You just swipe it yourself in a machine at the checkout which *may* ask for a signature on a digital pad (most don't for small purchases). I usually write "A.N. Other" as illegibly as possible. No signature required at gas stations. No signature required at airport self-service gas pumps - I can buy $300 worth of avgas with no signature or any other check.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #114 October 13, 2014 QuoteTEXAS looked for it. Found it was (15 times) less common than being struck by lightning. Approx. 1 in 15,000,000 votes is fraudulent. Ok, so I have got you down for 1. Im ok with federal crimes being committed as long as its not too often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #115 October 13, 2014 QuoteYou miss the point. It doesn't matter if anybody else has had to produce an ID for that. The fact remains, people are able to get by without doing so So how are these highly functional people driving with no ID? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #116 October 13, 2014 cvfd1399So how are these highly functional people driving with no ID? The relevant people aren't driving. That. Is. The. Point.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #117 October 13, 2014 cvfd1399QuoteYou miss the point. It doesn't matter if anybody else has had to produce an ID for that. The fact remains, people are able to get by without doing so So how are these highly functional people driving with no ID? Where does the Constitution limit voting rights to "highly functional people"? I must have missed that part.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #118 October 13, 2014 cvfd1399QuoteTEXAS looked for it. Found it was (15 times) less common than being struck by lightning. Approx. 1 in 15,000,000 votes is fraudulent. Ok, so I have got you down for 1. Im ok with federal crimes being committed as long as its not too often. You're also OK with denying voting rights to thousands of the poor and elderly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #119 October 13, 2014 QuoteThe relevant people aren't driving. That. Is. The. Point. QuoteWhere does the Constitution limit voting rights to "highly functional people"? I must have missed that part. My point to both of you is that if they have someone that is driving them around every day, or are clearly able to function without an id, which means they do not drive, then it probably isnt too hard to hitch a ride to the DMV and get an ID and get registered to vote. If the "gathering up proper documents is an issue" I have already addressed that in a recent post, please go see that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #120 October 13, 2014 QuoteYou're also OK with denying voting rights to thousands of the poor and elderly. Goodness, you forget what is said so easily these days. My posts QuoteI'm 1000% on board with all of that. If you live in America legally I WANT ALL of you to vote. I just want to secure the voting system is all. My proposal QuoteI am sure if forced to there is a way to ensure every legal American can register to vote, or get an ID without causing them undue hardship. Would you be ok with requiring ID to vote if the government facilitated resources such as help obtaining birth certificates, transportation, and registration? This program would be audited by public groups such as the fair elections network etc. to ensure it was fair and adequate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #121 October 13, 2014 QuoteMy point to both of you is that if they have someone that is driving them around every day, or are clearly able to function without an id, which means they do not drive, then it probably isnt too hard to hitch a ride to the DMV and get an ID and get registered to vote. A) 'If.' And if not? B) This was covered in post #18.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #122 October 13, 2014 QuoteB) This was covered in post #18. Ya....My solution is LITERALLY right above you. QuoteI am sure if forced to there is a way to ensure every legal American can register to vote, or get an ID without causing them undue hardship. Would you be ok with requiring ID to vote if the government facilitated resources such as help obtaining birth certificates, transportation, and registration? This program would be audited by public groups such as the fair elections network etc. to ensure it was fair and adequate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #123 October 13, 2014 cvfd1399QuoteB) This was covered in post #18. Ya....My solution is LITERALLY right above you. ***I am sure if forced to there is a way to ensure every legal American can register to vote, or get an ID without causing them undue hardship. Would you be ok with requiring ID to vote if the government facilitated resources such as help obtaining birth certificates, transportation, and registration? This program would be audited by public groups such as the fair elections network etc. to ensure it was fair and adequate? In principle, maybe, as long as the end result is that the risk of a bona fide qualified citizen being unfairly refused the right to vote at the polls is vastly smaller than the statistically insignificant sampling of people who might actually waste the time and energy to cast more than one vote on Election Day. But what you're failing to appreciate is what a pawn you're being played for. This is an utterly manufactured issue thunk up by the 50% of professional political operatives who work for the GOP side, and then sold as a product to gullible, good-faith conservative citizens by the ilk of FoxNews et al., knowing fully well that their "consumers" will parrot the talking points for them. They're insulting your intelligence, and you're just saluting going along with it like a good little soldier. Instead of being their willing cannon fodder, you should resent their date-raping you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #124 October 13, 2014 cvfd1399QuoteTEXAS looked for it. Found it was (15 times) less common than being struck by lightning. Approx. 1 in 15,000,000 votes is fraudulent. Ok, so I have got you down for 1. Im ok with federal crimes being committed as long as its not too often.I'll put you down as OK with disenfranchising 1,000 people to prevent 1 fraudulent vote. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #125 October 13, 2014 QuoteBut what you're failing to appreciate is what a pawn you're being played for. This is an utterly manufactured issue thunk up by the 50% of professional political operatives who work for the GOP side, and then sold as a product to gullible, good-faith conservative citizens by the ilk of FoxNews et al., knowing fully well that their "consumers" will parrot the talking points for them. They're insulting your intelligence, and you're just saluting going along with it like a good little soldier. Instead of being their willing cannon fodder, you should resent their date-raping you. Wow insinuate much? Your are just like Kallend, and have forgotten what was previously stated. QuoteSo are you saying when a current administration is giving away or suggesting that if they are elected they will give away free/reduced healthcare, benefits, housing, and school, while also easing border security, and stopping voter id laws, that illegal immigrants, or fraudulent voters are going to ignore the fact that they can illegally vote for the members of that administration that is suggesting those items? I would say that if your setting up a system where people can illegally vote to obtain the above, they will flock to it like ants on a dead animal. Its like opening up an atm, covering the camera, and allowing any pin number to withdraw cash from the government bank. QuoteIm not saying it has already happened on this massive conspiracy scale. Im thinking ahead about the future of voting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
