Federal civil rights charges unlikely against police officer in Ferguson shooting

[Andy9o8 2]

Yeah. You didn't really read my post, did you?

[Anvilbrother 0]

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Anyone who fails to recognize the lasting effect of those things on group psychology is a fool.

Yea you said this, I stated the Jewish people, have found a way to move on, why can't black people?

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[BillyVance 34]

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Anyone who fails to recognize the lasting effect of those things on group psychology is a fool.

Yea you said this, I stated the Jewish people, have found a way to move on, why can't black people?

They did get Israel established as a Jewish state... So a lot of them moved there.

Kind of hard to do the same thing for blacks so we just give them inner city housing at low prices.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Anvilbrother 0]

At this point no one can say that the black race was not offered any help. The amount of free housing, food and medical assistance, ee employment, mandatory race quota hiring, minority benefits for school , public transportation and job training is enormous.

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[billvon 2,990]

>Yeah. You didn't really read my post, did you?

Pretty safe bet. Many people here don't read the posts before they reply. They imagine a post and answer that instead.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Anvilbrother

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Anyone who fails to recognize the lasting effect of those things on group psychology is a fool.

Yea you said this, I stated the Jewish people, have found a way to move on, why can't black people?

I would hardly say that the Jews have moved on.

They had to fight to establish Israel, they have had to fight to keep from being annihilated numerous times, they continue to fight against Hamas, all while being vilified by the international community.

And all while being accused of being the "Illuminati," secretly running the entire world.

They have adapted and assimilated fairly well here in the US, but we've been pretty open to immigrants throughout our history...
As long as they were white.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Bolas 5]

Andy9o8

******>hopefully not

Exactly. Hopefully cops don't get shot - and hopefully cops don't profile. Even if both happen occasionally, it's worth trying to stop both.

>Shoot at centre mass until the threat stops. And I don't begrudge them that...

I do when the target is (for example) a guy handcuffed in the back of a police car.

Let's talk about profiling...last night Rox stops at a grocery to get some last minute Thanksgiving stuff and a couple of bottles of liquor. Not a terrible neighborhood but not the best either.

The way that liquor works in Ohio is it has to be purchased separately and bagged up. So when you leave the store you have liquor in brown paper bag your other stuff in their own bags (plastic). As she leave 4 black youths appear from the nearest corner of the store and start following her to her car. She could tell they were interested in what she had in her cart. They were getting pretty close when all of a sudden the cop that was at the door yelled something to the effect of "you guys planning on helping that lady with her groceries?" They took off running.

Profiling works and I'm glad they do it here in Ohio (and I'm glad we can still get plastic bags...lol)

Yes, if they were white youths doing the exact same thing it wouldn't have raised a shred of suspicion. Especially if they wore, you know, penny loafers and stuff.

Disagree. Of course they don't have to steal it from strangers, they just raid their parents liquor cabinet or pay the help to buy it for them.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Bolas 5]

Andy9o8

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Except absolutely none of that applies in this case. The guy was a thug.
All those that are looting and rioting are thugs and criminals.

You grossly underestimate the group outrage throughout every segment of the American black population nation-wide today.

Out of curiosity, are you justifying their irrational behavior, or just explaining it?

Poor attempt at spinning my point.
Answer: neither.
Not playing the game.

I will neutrally rephrase the question.

Are you justifying the riots and looting, or just explaining a possible reason why they do it?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Bolas 5]

Iago

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Really? So dress more like white people commonly dress or get hassled by the police.
Institutional racism. Fuck that.

People profile each other every day. That's just how it works.

And profiles can be wrong. If one chose to dress like a thug, was not breaking any laws and when confronted by police was civil and compliant no issue.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kallend 2,026]

Iago

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Really? So dress more like white people commonly dress or get hassled by the police.
Institutional racism. Fuck that.

People profile each other every day. That's just how it works.

I agree.

I have worked on the south side of Chicago for 37 years and currently live on the south side. I have developed a pretty good feel for whom to avoid. Apparently it works because I have had zero incidents in all that time.

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They did get Israel established as a Jewish state... So a lot of them moved there.

Kind of hard to do the same thing for blacks so we just give them inner city housing at low prices.

Liberia

You don't have to outrun the bear.

[kallend 2,026]

Anvilbrother

Let's see slavery was abolished in the 1860's. In the 1940's 63% of the Jewish population was enslaved, gassed, shot, and burned to death. Take a look at how each have recovered and moved on.

Jewish population of Poland 1939: 3 Million

Jewish population of Poland 2014: 25 thousand.

Jewish population of Hungary 1939: 800,000

Jewish population of Poland 2010: 48,000

You will find similar trends in all Nazi occupied eastern European countries.

Nice recoveries there.

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Nice recoveries there.

Your really going to try to use population as a sign?

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Andy9o8

******>hopefully not

Exactly. Hopefully cops don't get shot - and hopefully cops don't profile. Even if both happen occasionally, it's worth trying to stop both.

>Shoot at centre mass until the threat stops. And I don't begrudge them that...

I do when the target is (for example) a guy handcuffed in the back of a police car.

Let's talk about profiling...last night Rox stops at a grocery to get some last minute Thanksgiving stuff and a couple of bottles of liquor. Not a terrible neighborhood but not the best either.

The way that liquor works in Ohio is it has to be purchased separately and bagged up. So when you leave the store you have liquor in brown paper bag your other stuff in their own bags (plastic). As she leave 4 black youths appear from the nearest corner of the store and start following her to her car. She could tell they were interested in what she had in her cart. They were getting pretty close when all of a sudden the cop that was at the door yelled something to the effect of "you guys planning on helping that lady with her groceries?" They took off running.

Profiling works and I'm glad they do it here in Ohio (and I'm glad we can still get plastic bags...lol)

Yes, if they were white youths doing the exact same thing it wouldn't have raised a shred of suspicion. Especially if they wore, you know, penny loafers and stuff.

Statistically speaking you're correct.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Bolas 5]

kallend

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Really? So dress more like white people commonly dress or get hassled by the police.
Institutional racism. Fuck that.

People profile each other every day. That's just how it works.

I agree.

I have worked on the south side of Chicago for 37 years and currently live on the south side. I have developed a pretty good feel for whom to avoid. Apparently it works because I have had zero incidents in all that time.

What criteria do you use to determine whom you choose to avoid? Guessing race isn't one of them, nor should be.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Andy9o8 2]

Bolas

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Except absolutely none of that applies in this case. The guy was a thug.
All those that are looting and rioting are thugs and criminals.

You grossly underestimate the group outrage throughout every segment of the American black population nation-wide today.

Out of curiosity, are you justifying their irrational behavior, or just explaining it?

Poor attempt at spinning my point.
Answer: neither.
Not playing the game.

I will neutrally rephrase the question.

Are you justifying the riots and looting, or just explaining a possible reason why they do it?

Still a spin, so I'll just answer my way.

I am explaining why black people of virtually every economic stratum, level of education and occupation throughout the US feel outraged every time there's a shooting of an unarmed black person by an armed non-black person, and feels that way about this case, too.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Andy9o8

Still a spin, so I'll just answer my way.

I am explaining why black people of virtually every economic stratum, level of education and occupation throughout the US feel outraged every time there's a shooting of an unarmed black person by an armed non-black person, and feels that way about this case, too.

As an interesting point to add, PBS had "American Experience, the Kennedys" (or something like that) on the other night. I didn't watch it all, but I caught the part about the Freedom Riders. Shortly after an integrated bus was firebombed and burned in Alabama, the Riders planned another trip to Montgomery. Kennedy didn't want a huge uproar about civil rights, so he tried to get both sides to back down. The Riders refused. So RFK sent a rep to Montgomery to talk to the cops, to try to prevent violence. The Montgomery cops refused to stop the segregationists from attacking the Riders. The cops refused to prevent crimes against black people. And the segregationists weren't fooling around. They planned on giving serious beatings (hospitalization, broken bones, internal injuries serious) to the Riders. And the cops were going to stand by and let this happen.

And this was a little over 50 years ago.

Ron asked why there weren't any riots when OJ was acquitted. Maybe it's because white people believe in the justice system. Even though they know it's not perfect, whites feel that most of the time, guilty are arrested, tried and convicted. While the innocent are not.

Black people have just about the opposite experience. Whites accused of killing blacks usually were acquitted, regardless of the evidence. Blacks accused of crimes against whites were usually convicted, again regardless of the evidence.

No wonder why they don't have a lot of faith in "The System."

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Andy9o8 2]

Martin Luther King would have all of them peaceably demonstrate publicly en masse, and if that didn't get enough people's attention, would organize a nation-wide general strike by all African-Americans. He eventually caught a bullet as a young man for his leadership.

Malcom X would take note that, clearly, not enough people's attention had been obtained, and he would advocate the means necessary by which the disenfranchised and powerless get the attention of the enfranchised, and the powerful. Sometimes that means smacking society upside the head by means of riot. (Sometimes, as in the case of the anarchists in the early 20th Century, it meant violence and targeted bombings.) With time and experience breaking bread with Caucasian Muslims during his hajj, his personality matured and his views and methods became less radicalized. Alas, he, too, caught a bullet as a young man, and both white bigots and black radicals alike said good riddance.

[Bolas 5]

Andy9o8

Still a spin, so I'll just answer my way.

I am explaining why black people of virtually every economic stratum, level of education and occupation throughout the US feel outraged every time there's a shooting of an unarmed black person by an armed non-black person, and feels that way about this case, too.

So what your saying is to them, due to historical reasons, there's no such thing as a justified shoot. Not innocent until proven guilty, but innocent no matter.

This could also be a case of unarmed being incorrectly associated with defenseless.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Andy9o8 2]

That's your third spin-up of my words to fit your argument.
Strike three. You're out.

[mirage62 0]

Interestingly enough these Ferguson threads are "out" just a few days after the grand jury decision. Had the riots, the race baiter had their say.... And nothing really changed. Michael Brown is still dead, just like Trayvon Martain.

I'm in favor of body video. NOT because it w prove that Brown was unfairly killed. From the facts I believe that MB was responsible. It would have saved the people of Ferguson much grief and DW. A law called the DW law wb appropriate.

Looks like this is for the most part over.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[Bolas 5]

mirage62

I'm in favor of body video. NOT because it w prove that Brown was unfairly killed. From the facts I believe that MB was responsible. It would have saved the people of Ferguson much grief and DW. A law called the DW law wb appropriate.

Looks like this is for the most part over.

Has that worked in other cities? Obviously nothing to the extent of Ferguson, but was video evidence believed when other evidence ignored or considered "faked"?

Only issues see with body video itself is the impact of once made standard, of due to a strictly technical issue, it not working. Would the officer still be permitted to work, or would whatever issue preventing the recording or transmission/storage be required to be resolved prior? Or would this only be the case in "high risk" situations/areas?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Bolas

***I'm in favor of body video. NOT because it w prove that Brown was unfairly killed. From the facts I believe that MB was responsible. It would have saved the people of Ferguson much grief and DW. A law called the DW law wb appropriate.

Looks like this is for the most part over.

Has that worked in other cities? Obviously nothing to the extent of Ferguson, but was video evidence believed when other evidence ignored or considered "faked"?

Only issues see with body video itself is the impact of once made standard, of due to a strictly technical issue, it not working. Would the officer still be permitted to work, or would whatever issue preventing the recording or transmission/storage be required to be resolved prior? Or would this only be the case in "high risk" situations/areas?

Well, there have been some studies:

http://www.policefoundation.org/content/body-worn-cameras-police-use-force

Most show "use of force" by the cops drops a lot, and citizen complaints against officers drops even more.

I have yet to see any good arguments against it.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[champu 1]

I think some internet-goers (other forums, if not here) get a little over-zealous about how publicly and readily available the video should be made as a matter of course. It's easy to forget that, through their work, police can sometimes be on and view private property. You can easily end up with gobs of footage that shouldn't be publicly available.

Not an argument against it, but something that needs to be considered when sweating the details.

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

H Iago,

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multiple states now have laws making it a felony to video police activities

Ironically, here in Oregon it is illegal to audio tape record any conversation with an LEO. but it is OK to video tape record them.



It is an old law that has not been kept up with newer technology; as is quite often the case.

Jerry Baumchen